Full Ring

UTG limps, I call SB with A4J8r, BB calls.

Flop (3 way)
Js4s5h

I check, BB donks, UTG raises

What should I do?


Spoiler: I folded

Fold.
There's a low draw, but you don't have it.
There's a flush draw, but you don't have it.
There's a straight draw, but you don't have it.

You do have the two pairs, but it's not a very good two pairs. Wait for a better opportunity.

Buzz

I guess fold, but I would have bet flop.

And BB didn't donk, he just bet. (There was no preflop raiser to check to).

We are 40 to 60 dogs against the raiser alone, we are not gonna see any cards that make up happier, and the pot is small, so it's ok to fold.

Don't have to call pre. More for image than anything else. Fold flop

Lol, what. Are you high?

Folding is fine here because the pot is tiny. But nothing you could do on the flop would be worse that taking this advice.

Bet.

Play it a million times and fold equals -15million. Call a million times equals -14mil - -16mil. As long as you don't use pot equity tables in your reasoning I'm fine with either. Now going to get high.

This.

are we seriously talking O8 strategy on here? WHYYYYY?

The player pool is 30-50 players. There is no need for a strategy forum. There is also a ton of collusion and I've personally been refunded for said collusion.

If you offer any real advice here you are an idiot. Please only respond by trolling.

Example:
OP:"I had AA23sshh and it was 3 bet to me. Should I call or 4 bet."

Responder: "Clearly this is a fold preflop. you have to flop almost perfect to make this a good hand."

OP: "Great thanks pal."

I hope. That is the primary goal of a strategy forum.

Because it helps our own game more than it helps our opponents.

That's a matter of opinion.

I also have seen collusion. (We probably all have).

I try to offer real advice, and I believe I get real feed back, which is more worthwhile to me than to my opponents. And offering solid advice is a way to expand the player pool.

Please don't do that.

Buzz

This game is like a little hidden gem. I cannot fathom why you want to help players get better. If there were 4,000 players in the pool I would understand but there is def not. But whatever - make the 1-2 games that occasionally run daily even tougher. That makes sense

OK dumbass, unless you haven't figured it out yet, this forum is for all O8 games, not just the 30/60 game on Bovada.

Some individuals are helpful to others.

Other individuals not so much.

I like people and I like helping people.

If you don't feel like helping others, a reason to help someone get better is that in the process of helping someone get better, one's own game improves.

Buzz

Isn't the goal to make money? Why would we better our opponents? Since when is this a team sport?

Yes and no.

Making money is the goal of many players and might be your goal.

But I play because I enjoy competition.

It's a bit confusing because when you compete and win at poker, you win money.

If you ask a poker player why he plays poker, chances are he'll answer, "to make money." But I don't think that truly IS the reason most people play.

Let me put it another way. I used to play golf. But I didn't play golf to make money. I played golf to compete and for the camaraderie involved in going out to play golf with a group of friends.

I play poker for about the same reason.

Good question.

It's not a team sport.

Buzz

Weird but i was under the impression this thread was entitled "30-60 LO8 Bovada"

This thread was about one particular hand someone played at 30-60 on Bovada. The FORUM is about O8 poker in general. And even this thread is not particularly about that site or game, but about how to play an O8 hand in general.

I"ve played about 1-2k limit hands in my lifetime. I play 08. I cannot played on Bovada. Do you want me to gtfo?

Also, it is clearly up to posters whether to contribute, not you. There is something in your constitution about freedom of speech right?

There was a recent discussion on here about this very topic, and if I recall (mods is this correct!?) both amok and sjappie (two of the strongest players in the forum) suggested that if you cannot provide advice without it not affecting your win rate you're not a very sttong player.

This.

plodonkey17 is either very, very, very dumb, or an elite level troll. Cannot tell which....

I'll play devil's advocate and say I think he has a point. In my opinion coaching in all forms is self destructive and short sighted if you hope to make money from poker. Everyone thinks "oh well it's just my friend Bob I'm teaching, that won't hurt things much," but if every winning player added just one successful Bob, suddenly our win rates would be cut in half. That is pretty much what's been happening to poker ever since the boom, at an accelerated pace thanks to training sites, strategy forums, and overzealous friendly advice. But hey... at least the coaches get paid for it, on 2P2 we just give it away for free

Well, then you disagree with the entire reason for the existence of the 2+2 forums, so I don't know why you are here. Well, I guess you could wish the forums didn't exist, but still want to read them since there are here.

I don't know about you but i come here to share my thoughts about how i would play hands and get comments on my hands. I like many others need some closure sometimes too, it's like therapy, "did I dun good or not?" when things dont go our way, or perhaps when things do but we don't know if it will work out like that more often than not if we played the way we did

Everybody here is doing that as far as I can tell, all with the hope that we improve in what we learn from each other, whether we are concious of that or not

There is also the community aspect which has us talking to each other and making new friends who we may go on to meet IRL. I have met a few off here and it's been a good experience.

My nickname at live games is "Life sized troll" if that clues you in...