I just dont get his play in a 26 dollar plo8 here--I always play micro so this was a new venture into 26 dollar land---tell me how to play this properly--thanks

Full Tilt Poker Game #31807961937: $500 Guarantee (246925983), Table 2 - 20/40 - Pot Limit Omaha H/L - 12:04:12 ET - 2013/01/04
Seat 1: stevevz7 (3,000)
Seat 3: tygazai (2,758)
Seat 4: TILTDONKEY (2,845)
Seat 5: HERO (2,470)
Seat 6: tmi2891 (3,545)
Seat 7: Shimbunshi (2,677)
Seat 8: ifsheonlyknew (2,695)
Seat 9: jinky6767 (3,995)
Shimbunshi posts the small blind of 20
ifsheonlyknew posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [Ah Ad 8c 3h]
jinky6767 has 15 seconds left to act
jinky6767 raises to 90
tygazai folds
TILTDONKEY folds
HERO raises to 330
tmi2891 folds
Shimbunshi has 15 seconds left to act
Shimbunshi folds
ifsheonlyknew folds
jinky6767 calls 240
*** FLOP *** [6c Qc 9h] (Total Pot: 720, 2 Players)
jinky6767 checks
HERO bets 720
jinky6767 raises to 2,880
HERO calls 1,420, and is all in
jinky6767 shows [9d 4c Qd 9c]
HERO shows [Ah Ad 8c 3h]
Uncalled bet of 740 returned to jinky6767
*** TURN *** [6c Qc 9h] [7h] (Total Pot: 5,000, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
*** RIVER *** [6c Qc 9h 7h] [Ks] (Total Pot: 5,000, 2 Players, 1 All-In)
jinky6767 shows three of a kind, Nines, for high
HERO shows a pair of Aces, for high
jinky6767 wins the pot (5,000) with three of a kind, Nines
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5,000 | Rake 0
Board: [6c Qc 9h 7h Ks]
Seat 1: stevevz7 is sitting out
Seat 3: tygazai didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: TILTDONKEY didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: HERO showed [Ah Ad 8c 3h] and lost with HI: a pair of Aces
Seat 6: tmi2891 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Shimbunshi (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 8: ifsheonlyknew (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: jinky6767 showed [9d 4c Qd 9c] and won (5,000) with HI: three of a kind, Nines

u just got sucked out, u played the hand decent, just tag him as a fish.

cool thanks,...I actually did give him the yellow fish tag right after

really 99q4 wth man ftp so rigged d:

Please use the hand converter, thanks.

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I have no idea what a hand converter is

When you create a new thread, or when you reply, there is a link at the top right of the box that says "hand history converter". Click on it, paste your hand history text into it, and it will spit out something that's all nice and shiny and much easier for most to read. You just copy that from the converter and paste it into your post.

oh cool thanks--Im a little slow at the best of times

check back the flop 100% of the time.

This happens a lot. Hero is ahead before the flop, but then after this particular flop is behind.

Since Hero can't peek at Villain's cards, Hero has no way to know what card Villain holds. But Hero should know two things:
(1) before the flop, Hero's roughly a two to one favorite over a random hand (which, from Hero's perspective, is more or less what Villain holds).
(2) after this particular flop, although Hero is still probably a favorite, it's with much less of an edge (more like reduced to a five to four favorite over a random hand).

So before there's any betting after the flop (betting round #2) Hero should figure he's a slight (5:4) favorite... something like that. When Villain checks, Hero bets. Very reasonable.

But then Villain check/raises!

At this point, Villain is either bluffing or has a better connection with the flop than Hero.

And the plain truth is Hero doesn't have a very good fit with this particular flop. All Hero has is that pair of aces plus a back-door low draw. And that's honestly not a very good flop fit. Thus it would be rather easy for Villain to have a better fit with this flop.

When Villain raises enough to put Hero all-in, the pot size that's winnable by Hero is roughly twice what Hero has left in his stack. And that makes it very hard for Hero to back away.

Basically, you gambled that Villain's check meant Villain would fold to a pot sized bet, but Villain didn't do that. Villain check/raised instead, and the pot odds you were getting at that point were too good for you to pass up.

Once you bet the pot after the flop, you were stuck.

Buzz

this

pretty standard reg mistake to pot/get allin with bare aces on a board like this whereby if you get loads of action your often crushed.

Not even mad on potting pre these days as opposed to a smaller raise. Keeps the pot that bit smaller s you can get away from bad flops/turns easier but you can still stack the fish/random regs if you flop good.

every1 luvs stackin off these days with a sniff of that scoop.

thanks for excellent feedback---gotta quit fallin in love with the aces

Flop play is fine (as is preflop), with an SPR of only 3 , you want to take it down (i.e. increase your stack by 33% compared to folding). Most of the time he didn't flop a set.

In PLO8 tournaments you will find a lot of these player (I call them "charlies") - they find something attractive about every hand ("pair of nines!!NUTS!") and then they stack off with nothing and then catch their hand and knock you out.

But the time that they don't catch anything, you get a big stack and go on to win the tournament

We have to assume Villain isn't some complete spazz monkey so we have to believe that he has an ace in his hand. We have two aces in our hand and neither of them are the ace of clubs. So that leaves a 50/50 chance that he has the ace of clubs. Or if he is Spazz monkey then its likely his hand includes high cards which smash this flop.

By betting we can take the pot down but we are folding out the hands which we have the best equity against. Whenever we are raised we are never in good shape so are turning a hand with showdown value into a bluff.

i dont think this is very good logic. you ofc miss value pre vs a readless person in a $26 tournament (so assume he's bad) when you don't pot pre,

with the current flop spr you can still get away from perceived bad flops.

hero made bad bet sizing in this flop (tho realistically if he bets small its still a b/c)

Well, he didn't have an ace in his hand so that blows that theory out of the water.

It's the flop; showdown is a long way away yet. It'd be rare to check this down with so much money sitting on the table. If you check and he bets the turn then you have no idea if he has trips, or if he's just betting because you checked (or if he improved the turn).

You missed this point where i referred to Spazz monkeys

A lot of turns should in theory help us. Good cards for us are ace,2,4,5,7,8 and arguably a non club 9.

What you advocating here is betting the flop to see where we are in the hand. If we are willing to bet call it on the flop, where villain is holding a hand which dominates our hand or semi bluff us with decent equity. By checking back we now allow our opponents to include bluffs in to there range.

By checking we also get the chance to hit a card that turns our hand from marginal to potentially very strong.

Villain has raised UTG and called a 3 bet. In a vacuum I am going to give him some credit.

I am inclined to check behind the flop because

1. If we lead our hand cannot stand a semi bluff C/R, or even a C/R bluff.
2. Hero also starts the hand with 62 bbs. Our SPR is really not that low.
3. If we lead (as hero did here) any sort of amount and get called we are close to being committed on any turn card, and villain has not defined his hand at all. What hands would villain check call this flop?
4. We have a relatively poor fit with this flop but we are in position and villain has given hero a chance at a free card. I am willing to take it.

Actually I am advocating that we have enough equity against his range to stack off, and if he folds something that might have drawn out on us, that's fine too.

Most of the turn cards are good - even more reason to get it in on the flop

A boardpair may be a good card too - he may have 2 pair, but we don't know which 2.

i would sure hope i have a hand to stack off with u if ur happy to get allin with aces on boards like this

There aren't that many IMO, maybe KKx just because a lot of my non-AA 3bet range has a K in it. Even something like KQT sucks, although I might bet 1/3 pot fold there.

In some ways this flop is a really annoying spot after the 3bet where we have too much behind to fist pump shove and not enough to make folding a nice option (ofc. lots of flops will be fist pump shove).

But this. Betting pot just makes villain fold too much when you are crushing and villain is probably hoping for fold equity with AQ42 type hands so will c/r those no matter what we do. So bet 1/3 pot and call, he might then call with some of his range, at which point we can shove all turns. He is also more likely to x/r random stuff (ooh, he bet small my KK54 must be good) assuming he has FE.

IMO looks like villain decided to raise any4 and had a read that you are only 3betting AA so hopes to spike a 9 or QQ or something. Obv. this is ******ed, but it looks less so when they hit. Or he's just randomly clicking buttons, it's hard to tell.

If you check behind you've no idea where you are at on almost any turn/river and you gave villain another card to make trips, 2 pair or a straight or random clubs (which is any 56789TJQK or club).

bet small >> bet pot >>>> check.

agree that if ur gong to bet bet small as i think i alreday said but lol at a pot bet better than checkin. potting here it is awful

Most of the time you don't, that's the thing. You might have a pocket pair, or pair 1 card with the board, or a straight draw, or something

PF- Could 3-bet smaller to still force out blinds and get it HU, while somewhat disguising AAxx here.

Flop- I like checking behind here with 2 clubs on board and seeing what turns holds. However, I understand betting with overpair, but smaller bet probably gives hero better options if villain c/r's (cheaper laydown or larger villain c/r range to justify calling).

Turn- If hero checked behind on flop, then this card gives him NFD and 2nd NLD in addition to overpair. Still would be a tricky turn to play though.

hmmmm I may have read this somewhere else

thanks coach