Please, analyse the hand BEFORE reading my spoilers!


One of the bigger hands of my life for sure.

Hero has $1,908.50, is utg 5 handed and is dealt AKT5

Hero raises to $56

Button has over 10k (we're on bovada) button calls, rest fold.

Main pot $140

Flop T64

Hero bets $86



Button Calls.


Turn is 8

Hero Checks



Button bets $89.81

Hero thinks and raises to $346.72



Button calls.

River is J

Hero bets $719.80



Thank you all.!

It seems like he has lock low or A3 a ton, and you can possibly push him off. It's a pretty standard hand and bet, I like how you played it, you got max fold equity and are probably freerolling with a lock high and draw at a 2 or 3 to counterfeit his A2 or A3 and get a scoop. He has to have 2 pair or a set to even have a chance to beat your high (unless he has an extremely unlikely straight flush), and if he does, he probably doesn't have a better low with it. It's a pretty good spot to be in, on the turn.

Sizing was decent on all streets.

If raised on river, I'd have to put him on the 97 or 75 of diamonds, but you're still priced in to call, because your low should be good often enough then.

Pre. seems std. Flop do you bet this much with lots of A2 hands? Assuming you check a lot but bet nut flush or nut low draws with top 2 pair+, I guess seems fine. Not sure.

But turn x/r seems like it should be pot. Dito. river bet. I'm assuming you aren't scared of 75/97 and folding if he shoves river. Not sure why you'd bet less with A2dd either.

Wp in general, though I'm not sure if all your sizings are optimal for the situation, especially river when your range is very nutty (either A2+blank, A-flush or A2+strong flush).

I'm guessing you got scooped by A2+straight flush.

Edit: read the spoilers, thoughts:

hand as described but with pot sizes:

Hero has $1,908.50
Button covers

Hero UTG raises $56, multiple folds, Button calls, blinds fold

pot $140 ($1852.50 behind)
Flop T64

Hero bets $86, Button calls.

pot $312 ($1766.50 behind)
Turn 8

Hero checks, Button bets $89.81, Hero raises to $346.72, Button calls. *(a pot c/r is to ~$492)*

pot $1005.44 ($1419.78 behind) **(pot would be $1296 if pot-c/r'd w/$1274.5 behind)**
River J

Hero bets $719.80 (~$700 behind) ***(so, did villain raise river?)***




i wouldn't think i'd take the line you took, flop and turn, specifically checking the turn, having bet the flop. But i couldn't say betting the flop is worse then checking the flop or that checking the turn having bet the flop is worse then betting the turn having bet the flop.

but i think having taken the line making it a potsized c/r is correct as it leaves 1 pot sized bet behind for the river.

However a $90 bet into a $320 pot and then a call of any-sized c/r would concern me.

Why can't we bet flop and check the turn? especially given my image at this table as a weak/gambler-ish player, it just looks soooo weak like i'm cbetting a 3 flush flop and giving up on the turn. I use this strategy to great success frequently, maybe it's not wise in games this high but I really like doing this.


Villain called and showed A7TT and I won this one. I really do think it's all due to my image especially via a reckless play prior to this.

Villain is simply a donkey. And no, I am not being results-oriented.

OK. And I haven't read the other replies yet either. This is going to be fun! Pretty much like playing the hand myself.

Nice hand.

OK. Let's build a pot.

I guess the rake was $2.

Nice flop!!! Now we want to bet enough to give Villain unfavorable odds to continue (so that if he continues, it's a mistake).

I don't think that's enough. Villain risks $86+f to win $226+f. (f=future bets)

I wouldn't want my hand disguised here. I want to bet and win this pot. I wouldn't want Villain to have favorable odds to make a draw.

****. That enables a straight flush and also low. Better than the board pairing, I guess. We're definitely stuck in this hand. Not clear if Villain is or not.

There's $312 in the pot and if Villain bets, we have to call, and then there will be $936 in the pot. Thus this could cost us $1248 more to see the showdown if we check/call the rest of the way. Or if we bet, we could be all-in. But the board isn't paired. Perhaps Villain hopes for the board to pair.

I would bet the pot. Hope Villain folds. We're going to take it on the chin if he has a straight flush. (He can't be playing 97XY or 57XY without XY being A2, or at least A3).

Is he trying to induce a raise? (If I'm doing my math correctly, he could have bet $312).

OK.



Expected.

At this point I'm check/calling.

OK.

You're welcome. I'll be interested to read the other replies. I'm vaguely curious about Villain's hand.

Buzz

Whole hand looks fine to me.. I agree that villain played it very badly

lol villian played it badly? we dont see his hand right

i dont wanne ruin the party but i have no idea why everyone say hand is fine
it looks like you are just randomly btn clicking the whole hand
turn checkraise to not even pot shows that

i have think about it and turn check raise is terrible with this hand

Villain had AT77 so yes, he did.

i think for a USA player he did not play it that bad tho

The hand worked out for you as villain spewed horribly but trying to check raise turn makes little sense.

Most of the time you are giving villain an easy check back thus losing value plus more likely getting called OTR with some A3xx hands that would otherwise fold to a bigger river bet if you are 3 barrelling.

On the flip side of this though versus a tight player you won't get 3 streets of value against smaller flushes. If he had the hand quoted above he is defo not in the 'tight' player bracket.

By check raising you're just telegraphing your hand strength that even the biggest donkeys will fold the hands you want to stay in all the way.(smaller flushes). Not to mention the cluster **** that will happen if he has 5d7d with better low.

Yes you will manage to fold out some A3 hands versus this villain but not A2 hands but that does not balance the downside I mentioned above. A third barrel may well get these same A3xx hands to fold thus gaining value from the turn bet/call.

But **** it, you won a massive pot from this donkey. If you didn't someone else would have so n1.

Makes me wanna go back to Vietnam and play on bodog88 seeing this ha.

All of this is fine really.

Sizing really isn't all too important tho with a better lo than yours out there I might go bigger on turn and river...

NH.

Why are people saying ye ye you played it fine lol.

The check raise turn is awful for the reasons I already stated...It's random button clicking and very bad for the reasons I gave.

Different story if he hero has A2 and nut diamonds then sometimes it would be ok if you think villain is betting and not folding A2 hands which means you can possibly get more value and then you would be potting the river all day. Maybe not turn raise as to make sure the donkey stays in and then no chance he's folding A2 OTR.

You have the nut high with a weak low. You need to be putting max pressure on the sets, medium strength A2/A3 with combos etc that call the flop. I absolutely don't get the turn check. Giving a potential free card doesn't make much sense to me. Your hand isn't strong enough.

What's your plan for the river in a smaller pot when it goes check check? So the board doesn't pair, you can't check river so you lead and he looks you up with the hands that fold turn. Or the board pairs what's your play now?

You always say it better than me but yeah this .
I find it odd that competent players are saying WP etc. Maybe being too results orientated because they are checking back way too often and folding everything we want them to continue with once we raise.

Good points, definitely changed my point of view on the check raising turn. Obviously I shouldn't be doing this for numerous reasons as you guys mentioned! This is why I like the forum. Thanks for the input

I thought you didn't know anything about US sites or players?

Have you ever stopped to think that our recs might actually have more disposable income on average? Which is partly why some tables seem softer at higher stakes. Another reason is we still have formats that a good player can actually beat the rake by a meaningful amount, makes it seem much softer too.

And honestly, I've seen a lot of RoW players come over and try...it really hasn't gone very well on average from what I've seen. Juicy_J is pretty much the only one I've seen who has at least kinda lived up to some of the hype from you pstars guys. Over 5 years since BF and a ton of ego crap and insults from most of you guys, yet I haven't seen any kind of new strategy. Most of your formats have degenerated into push/fold with inherent slim edges and you act like it's soooo complicated

So many of you act like you're on the leading edge and doing some groundbreaking stuff, when really you're just fighting amongst each other in a shrinking stagnant player pool with very limited formats and reduced rakeback/comps. Good job guys, great work and be sure to pat yourselves on the back and tell yourself you're the best.

And can they really even call it a WCOOP anymore?

The rest of the US players should really stop posting hands here, since they're probably just going to continue to get more condescending bull**** like this from you guys.

Tell us how you really feel....

I can't recall anyone apart from bike talking about US players but he talks **** about everyone.

I agree with you about 1 thing. WCOOP cannot be classed at the online world series anymore. It's a ****ing joke that stars continues to call it this as they are ditching countries from .com left right and centre.

As for formats. I mean cash games on stars sucked after the started with these bull**** capped games. But tournaments on stars are head and shoulders above any site and that includes Bovada. So that means any serious O8 mtt player that can play on stars will have their bulk of their schedule there.

Weekly specials and coops on stars are also streets ahead and even low and mid buyins there are absolutely loads of them with varied formats. And most of the top MTT players want to play on stars so they will relocate from the US.

I am defo not a fan of Stars/Amaya atm but this is just how it is and pretty much all games inc O8 have more good players and tougher fields than any other site. Don't think anyone can argue with that as it would be silly.

I'm sure there are still many good US players that didn't in O8 and also a lot of fish at these stakes which is why I said these games look great. As you say there will be more recs that will play these stakes knowing that they are not going to be up against a bunch of guys that have played the same game every day for years on end like you get on stars.

You often sound so butt hurt in your posts. Really no need for it ITT just because OMB says some dickish comment.He's the same in every thread about someone.

I was making an effort to help Smokey as he/she seems nice and keen to improve his/her game.

funny i think they should stop cal it world chamionship if i can win one.
and ofcourse all the best o8 players are in the usa

/thread. Gold.

I'm so used to posting in this forum that I realized this was a PLO not a PLO8 hand, pretty embarrassing but maybe the play makes a little more sense?

Probably no saving face at this point, how embarrassing haha

lmao