It really should be Obamacare vs. the Catholic hierarchy. Your average Catholic American is actually more in favor of birth control coverage in health insurance than the average American.



Source: Public Religion Research Institute

Catholics like to get down get in and get out imo.

given a standard error rate(not shown), I doubt it's conclusive to state that.

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Fair enough, but it is conclusive fair to state that your average Catholic is more likely to support rather than oppose BC coverage. It's pretty much just the fundie crowd pitching a fit over this.

The big winners in malpractice suits are the trial lawyers, not the victims. How would you like it if courts and juries were second guessing everything you did at work?
If all the malpractice suits were allowed to proceed, in the near future the annual health insurance premiums would exceed per capita income. Few doctors would measure up and be able to make a living. The doctor shortage would only get worst.

Citation needed. Do you live in a state where plaintiff's attorneys are allowed to keep > 50% of civil judgments for themselves?

This is pretty standard for anyone, in all walks of life. Not just at work, but when out shopping, driving our cars, etc.

(Well, I mean standard for anyone except for doctors in states which have enacted stupid and ineffective tort reform laws. In those states, doctors are special snowflakes who enjoy legal protections the rest of us do not get.)

Citation needed.

It's disappointing that this isn't clear cut.

1. Under single-payer, govt onlys pays for health-insurance. Govt has nothing to do with long lines, what doctors you choose, etc because the hospitals are still privatized. Any long line problems you have has to do with the hospital.

2. Even though are taxes increase, we pay less because there are no more huge premiums, so taxpayers SAVE money.

3. You can never be dropped and you won't go bankrupt due to high medical expenses.

So let's see, as a country, we pay less for health-care for better service (cannot be dropped) and we still have hospitals PRIVATIZED (govt only covers insurance not what goes on in the hospitals). Why is this even an argument anymore? I know why...

4. Don't give me the "down with socialism" non-sense because I don't see anyone protesting the police department and fire department in favor of privatized police and privatized fire protection. Oh, you also want school system that's 100% private? How about we have the government pay for nothing? You want your roads fixed? You better pay a private company's high cost or shut the f*ck up.

Why should doctors be special kids that need to be overprotected? If you screw up, you pay. Works like this for everyone. If you can't handle the pressure of not killing someone, maybe you should get a different job.

^^^^^ if you are grossly negligent you should pay. not if you make a mistake. again doctors are not perfect and no procedure is easy.

How much should Welker, Hernandez, and Branch be liable for losing the superbowl?

You have to sign forms before they operate.

So who decides what constitutes "gross negligence" and what constitutes "mistakes?" The doctor or his malpractice insurer? I'm sure one or the other will render a just decision 100% of the time.

How many people were hurt by Welker, Hernandez, and Branch ?

If a bus driver doesn't pay attention and drives over your mother, should he be sued and should the police check what happened? It was just a dumb mistake after all.

Do you guys realize that when there's a malpractice suit the doctors don't really lose? Your health insurance premiums go up. The doctor who loses a malpractice suit won't lose his house or go to prison. His malpractice insurance company pays the award. Our health insurance premiums go up.
Unless a doctor is responsible for criminal negligence I don't favor any action against the doctor. If this doctor has been responsible for more than his share of unfavorable results, he should lose his license. Don't need the courts for that. Peer review should be able to handle it.

In San Francisco the bus driver wouldn't even lose his job. His union is too strong. It is hard to suspend a bus driver who doesn't have a valid driver's license.

Gov run healthcare is a core belief in socialism.

Socialism doesn't work, there will always be corrupt politicians in the world. Pay more get less pretty basic.

willwes can you please try to explain how you come by this mindset? I mean are you not aware that the next 50 richest countries in the world all have UHC, and all pay less per capita than us, and don't have people going bankrupt over healthcare? Or do you think that's just not true? Or some weird combination of the two?

Help me understand. Because I don't understand the origin of the breathless assertions that UHC doesn't work or socialized medicine costs more than our FUBAR system.

Europe is going broke. They spend more money than they take in from taxes.

they might suzzer but they have way higher taxes. im not so sure it would be cheaper. a lot of ppl just do not trust the gov to do things well. there is way to much fraud waste and abuse.
another sticking point for folks is that if they do implement it and it does turn out to be a nightmare then you cant unring that bell.

And yet amazingly not one developed country would dream of giving up their UHC and they all pretty much laugh at us for being the richest nation in the world, where 55-year-old general contractors routinely go bankrupt over healthcare costs. Such an efficient system. God forbid we tinker with it and pass some point of no return.

Germany has the strongest economy in the world. They have had UHC since 1888 (yes 18 with an 8). Who do you think our culture of innovation and work ethic more resembles - Germany or Greece? Or are you saying the Germans are simply better than us?

Q: Which socialist countries are doing well?

A: If any are truly doing well it's temporary. Again, there will always be corrupt politicians in the world. Hence government control will always result in too many people in the wagon and not enough pulling the wagon.

Interesting debate about this I had with my cousin last night (she believed socialism can work if fully implemented). Bottom line is that relying on the government to make everything better will ultimately result in economic demise.

Debating the individual issues as they relate to certain countries, or even anomalies, is trivial because you can't have capitalism with socialist policies peppered in between. The big picture is which system works best: Capitalism or Socialism.

Germans retire at 67. They work longer.

Germany has ZERO military budget (remember WW2), take away the $6 Billion or so the US gives them for national security and their socialist utopia crumbles.

Greece is the tip of the iceberg. Italy, Spain, Portugal, and Ireland are all going under.
Even England and France are having problems.

The entire history of the industrialized world drastically begs to differ. Once upon a time, socialism had a specific definition. Now all it means is "parts of the public sector I don't like."