I think you make your case and let it go if you still want to be friends. they might see the wisdom of your view in time.

You need to cite things with numbers, ya.

Pinker's work is what is questionable.

https://www.academia.edu/5735381/Ana...tate_societies

You got problems when your claim primitive people are more violent and experts have a tough time telling whether it was by injury or by another person.

your take is not a given inarguable fact. You're full of **** here.

this may be the most ironic post of the year so far in this forum

"pinker might be wrong, ergo I am right"

lol

It's not really questionable some of his work is wrong if you cannot tell if someone was injured or killed. It's not the only method he used in the book that is questionable.

Speaking of goldbugs, a couple from Sanford, FL (RIP IN PEACE TRAYVON) found over a million dollars worth of gold coins and other treasure in 15 ft of water off Ft. Pierce, FL, buried there since a hurricane sunk ships laden with treasure bound for Spain in 1715

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...727-story.html

I couldn't find any figures on what % they actually get to keep since some company owns the salvage rights.

Here's the thing:

Why did people flock to cities if it was less safe to live in cities?

Your position isn't some given.

You do realize that it was only in the last few centuries people began flocking to cities?
China still has a metric ton of rural farmers.

I was talking about Ancient cities, not modern ones. We have records like the Hammurabi code and the Bible to tell us that stealing and other sort of crimes were issues.

Paul D putting on a clinic ITT

going down with the ship

"lots of farmers in china ergo something something"

"there was crime in ancient cities ergo something something"

amazing

Visualization of increased partisanship in congress, via Vox:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/28/wo...ref=world&_r=0

lol?

But what was the margin of error?

Obama is not the big Africa story.

The big story is a murder by a white American. The victim was Cecil an unarmed 13 year old who was lured out of a park and shot to death by Walter Palmer, a 55 year old white man from Minnesota.

Pepsi

You just linked to someone's high school book report.

So, your evidence that violence is higher now is that some kid wrote a book report stating that it is hard to determine whether violence was higher or lower back then?

I can't figure out whether Paul doesn't want to admit he was wrong, or wants to hold onto the idea that deterrence isn't real. Bit of both?

He sure ain't going to be deterred

LOL what a bizarre thing to hold resentment over. Goddamn liberal media just won't give poachers a fair shake, amirite? First they report on a story about a poacher illegally killing a lion... ok that's actually the end of it.

That's what hurt hornbug's feelings here. Holy **** how ****ing fragile are you about the honor of the white American that even this riles you up?

****ing Trump 2016 in a nutshell. "When will white Americans catch a break from the media reporting on crimes they absolutely committed?"

The flip side is that once I reach a certain level of mastery of a job, I become disinterested because there is probably something somewhere else I could try to become halfway decent at. Learning new things (even mundane things) is one of the only things that motivates me to show up to work, and going from passably decent to expert is far too much effort.

Oh, and being a stringer for a newspaper really sucked ass. "Brian we need you to cover the Memorial Day Parade in some Podunk town. Make sure to actually interview a couple of people this time instead of just listing a few things you saw and giving a long-winded description about the route the parade took. Have you bought the camera that we gave you money to buy yet?"

LOL. That used to be my favorite diagnosis to try to rule in.

But no, I haven't had any sort of interpersonal problems with coworkers. I've even had people I managed follow me from company to company.

That was well done.

Where do you come up with this stuff? I was just reporting a story that people have more interest in than Obama's apology tour of Kenya.

The working of the FlyWf mind is a true mystery.

It isn't deterrence (as most think of it as the threat of punishment reducing violence) that is the largest factor in the reduction of violence over time. It is the outsourcing of retribution to the state.

If someone rapes your daughter, you call the cops instead of killing the entire family of the dude that did it (and probably a few randoms just for good measure).

Apology tour! That's a bingo for me!

I've got to imagine the steady increase in median living standards is a much larger reducing effect on violent crime than any form of law enforcement.