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07-24-2015 , 07:52 PM

#801

rjoefish

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rugby

There's some Columbiana guy who raped and murdered 300 street kids who will be released in a few years because the max sentence was 30 years with no possible extension.

He's on record saying he wants to go work for a street children's charity to "make amends"

OK, what does that have to do with anything?

07-24-2015 , 08:10 PM

#802

BrianTheMick2

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I think if he doesn't commit crimes in prison and is sane, does not advocate hate or violence and perhaps remorseful in 17 years, they will release him.

No. The history of killing 77 people is quite sufficient to consider him a public threat for approximately until he stops breathing.

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

To be fair the death penalty isn't just for vengeance, it also keeps the murder rate, violent crime, and incarceration below Europe's rates*

*It doesn't.

You should have left off the footnote. It would have generated hilarious writing behavior by me.

07-24-2015 , 08:13 PM

#803

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Originally Posted by rjoefish

OK, what does that have to do with anything?

An attempt to justify micro's fear that he will be a good boy in prison and be released.

Which he won't. He is being a weirdo in prison. They gave him a nicer pen to make it easier for him to spout racist nonsense.

07-24-2015 , 08:26 PM

#804

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I think if he doesn't commit crimes in prison and is sane, does not advocate hate or violence and perhaps remorseful in 17 years, they will release him.

Well, people with more knowledge of the situation than you disagree, but keep on spewing away

07-24-2015 , 08:35 PM

#805

BrianTheMick2

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Well, people with more knowledge of the situation than you disagree, but keep on spewing away

Seems quite the random non-sequitur ad hominem. Nicer job than the rest of us on eschewing content in the LC thread though, so there is that.

It bothers me that so many people die from mochi every year. Also konjac jelly. Overall, both are worth the risk, imo.

07-24-2015 , 08:59 PM

#806

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What happens to people who murder a lot of people in Norway?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnfinn_Nesset

Arnfinn Nesset murdered at least 22 people, and perhaps as many as 138 people. He was sentenced in 1983 to their 21 year term. He served 12 years in prison, then 10 under supervision and has since been living freely under an assumed name.

07-24-2015 , 09:02 PM

#807

Low Key

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The horror

07-24-2015 , 09:02 PM

#808

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But, it's pretty easy to say people who murder 22-138 people are forever a threat. But, people who know a lot more than me say Breivik will never be released.

Lol.

I'm not afraid he'll be released. Whether he is or not, I'm just lol'ing Norway. They can rightfully lol our overly punative "justice" system, that doesn't mean they're right about everything.

07-24-2015 , 09:03 PM

#809

rjoefish

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How are you proving he's a threat if he's been living incident free for some time?

07-24-2015 , 09:03 PM

#810

Low Key

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Giving human rights to all humans, what monsters!

07-24-2015 , 09:04 PM

#811

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Originally Posted by Low Key

The horror

Whatever. I guess there's no sentence too light for any crime no matter how heinous or on the other side too harsh for any crime no matter how minor when you're an ideologue.

07-24-2015 , 09:06 PM

#812

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Originally Posted by rjoefish

How are you proving he's a threat if he's been living incident free for some time?

I don't think he necessarily is a threat.

And Anders Breivik may well not be a threat in 17 years either.

07-24-2015 , 09:07 PM

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I know LowKey is not goofyballer, but the movement from "he'll never be released" to "so what if he is released" was inevitable.

07-24-2015 , 09:09 PM

#814

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I don't think he necessarily is a threat.

And Anders Breivik may well not be a threat in 17 years either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

But, it's pretty easy to say people who murder 22-138 people are forever a threat. But, people who know a lot more than me say Breivik will never be released.

Lol.

I'm not afraid he'll be released. Whether he is or not, I'm just lol'ing Norway. They can rightfully lol our overly punative "justice" system, that doesn't mean they're right about everything.

07-24-2015 , 09:12 PM

#815

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I was being sarcastic and it was a reference to Brian's comment:

"It is pretty easy to deem someone who has a history of being extremely shooty a threat."

07-24-2015 , 09:18 PM

#816

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This guy should get death too, but even in the US we don't punish true evil fully.

Stewart Parnell, the former owner of Peanut Corporation of America, who knowingly sold truckloads of salmonella-tainted peanut butter

07-24-2015 , 09:20 PM

#817

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There's a major differences in the cases you linked. No clue about how much time that Doctor should have served, but right wing terrorists are much more dangerous to the general populace.

07-24-2015 , 09:35 PM

#818

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Originally Posted by microbet

I'm not afraid he'll be released. Whether he is or not, I'm just lol'ing Norway. They can rightfully lol our overly punative "justice" system, that doesn't mean they're right about everything.

wat? Brevik is not ever getting out of prison... how is that a "lolNorway?" I guess it's convoluted or whatever, but the final outcome is life in prison, which is what you want, no?

07-24-2015 , 09:41 PM

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There's a major differences in the cases you linked. No clue about how much time that Doctor should have served, but right wing terrorists are much more dangerous to the general populace.

Well, aside from not being a very violent country, there are only 5 million people there and not a huge sample of people who have murdered 20-138. Best I could do.

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson

wat? Brevik is not ever getting out of prison... how is that a "lolNorway?" I guess it's convoluted or whatever, but the final outcome is life in prison, which is what you want, no?

I guess. It's not a priority, but I don't think he should be released. Don't know why you think he won't be since they released the last person who murdered 22-138 people right on schedule - even early if you count home supervision.

Really not a big deal to me. Huey posted about it, I made a comment and then an avalanche of people want to defend Norway's 21 year max sentence.

07-24-2015 , 09:50 PM

#820

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Which would you prefer: a killer be rehabilitated or locked up forever?

07-24-2015 , 09:53 PM

#821

BrianTheMick2

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Low Key

Which would you prefer: a killer be rehabilitated or locked up forever?

Yes.

07-24-2015 , 10:05 PM

#822

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Originally Posted by Low Key

Which would you prefer: a killer be rehabilitated or locked up forever?

Depends. Not being an ideologue I don't have to think all killers need to be treated a specific way. Most should be rehabilitated. A young person who, although over 18, really never had the opportunity to become a productive adult or an isolated crime of passion - sure rehabilitated.

Murdered 77 people on a rampage? Rehabilitated or not, I don't think he should be free because he's just way too far from deserving it.

07-24-2015 , 10:09 PM

#823

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Firsting Politard vines.

07-24-2015 , 10:21 PM

#824

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Originally Posted by microbet

So you don't think all killers should be treated one specific way, you instead think all killers should be treated one way for an arbitrary number of kills, and over that they should all be treated another way.

I think there's an 'i' word for that. Rhymes with "idea logs"