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03-09-2011 , 07:49 PM

#2251

justin

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yeh msnbc just reported its over

03-09-2011 , 07:50 PM

#2252

waterwolves

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Originally Posted by runner4life7

when we could have paid another guy to do the overtime for normal pay?

This sounds good and it can be cheaper but when you factor in all the benefits sometimes paying overtime is cheaper.

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Originally Posted by Brons

Sure, it's ridiculous that they're not hiring more drivers, but that's not the fault of the driver or the union.

Yeah that poor bus driver...... he is making more then some governors.

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New York Gov. George Pataki is the highest paid governor in the nation with a salary of $179,000, California Gov. Gray Davis is second at $157,143, Michigan's John Engler follows at $151,245, Illinois Gov. George Ryan is fourth with $145,877 and Gov. Tom Ridge of Pennsylvania rounds out the top five. He gets $138,270.

03-09-2011 , 07:53 PM

#2253

rjoefish

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I think it really just hurts the Republicans even more. Public is far and away more interested in a compromise and majorities are against what they're trying pass. Doing it in this way is going to ensure recalls IMO.

03-09-2011 , 07:54 PM

#2254

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The "SEE!? THIS WAS NEVER ABOUT THE BUDGET!" thing is going to go nuclear in about 5 minutes.

They're taking out the fiscal stuff and passing the stuff that people have called purely "union busting" language.

They wanted to avoid this to respect the legislative process, but the jerking around that the dems have been doing this week pissed off the senate reps enough to lead to what is about to happen in approximately 5 minutes.

03-09-2011 , 07:54 PM

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This sounds good and it can be cheaper but when you factor in all the benefits sometimes paying overtime is cheaper.

Yeah that poor bus driver...... he is making more then some governors.

1) They admitted it would be far cheaper to hire more drivers in this case and lifted the hiring freeze to do just that.

2) No one said 'poor bus driver' they merely pointed out the lack of adequate drivers isn't his fault.

03-09-2011 , 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by runner4life7

you dont think a bus driver making 150k+ with 100+ in overtime on our dime isnt ridiculous?

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Originally Posted by runner4life7

when we could have paid another guy to do the overtime for normal pay?

Its been shown in this thread he made that much by being a very good driver, putting in overtime hours to cover empty shifts and he had to do this because the city imposed a hiring freeze to "reduce costs" creating a backwards scenario where they increased the overheads by forcing them to use overtime.

No one in this thread is saying it should have happened. The problem is a few people such as yourself are blaming the union and/or the worker when its clearly nothing to do with them. Which got taken to the ridiculous levels of one person outright stating that the driver probably "worked slow" to create overtime hours.

03-09-2011 , 07:55 PM

#2257

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They wanted to avoid this to respect the legislative process,

good to see you can add clairvoyance to your skill set. Neither party has acted properly here, however one party is clearly not listening to public opinion.

03-09-2011 , 07:56 PM

#2258

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Originally Posted by justin

good to see you can add clairvoyance to your skill set

Their words, not mine.

03-09-2011 , 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Inso0

They're going to have a hard time defending it after going on the record numerous times saying they wouldn't do just this as they consider it all budgetary. If anything I expect a flurry of lawsuits tomorrow and a lot more protesters. Crowds were winding down and this is just going to cause them to explode again IMO.

03-09-2011 , 08:01 PM

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You might be right about the lawsuits.

I GUARANTEE you're right about the protests.

But the dems only have themselves to blame. I think the releasing of the negotiation emails was leading up to this.

Basically saying, "Look, see? We tried, they said they would behave, and then the reneged on the deal. So we're just going to move forward without them."

03-09-2011 , 08:02 PM

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I never said the bus driver was going slow on purpose I said it was a possibility. It's actually ridiculous that some people seem appalled that I would think that's a possibility.

It happens all the time and I am still not convinced that didn't happen here but I have no proof of that as of right now.

Still waiting for a link. lololololololol

03-09-2011 , 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by waterwolves

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...cc4c002e0.html
I have no idea why you're waiting for the link, you've already made up your mind that he was probably slowing down on purpose, its just going to be the same info you've already read here so not sure how its going to change your mind.
For the last time, how do you expect him to be slowing down on purpose here? Its a ****ing bus line with routes and times that have to be kept for ****s sake.

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03-09-2011 , 08:07 PM

#2263

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Leader of the democrats in the assembly is trying his hardest right now to stop this.

They're basically telling him to stfu.

The yells of "SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME SHAME" started up again from the dems in the committee. The audio I was listening to was cut once the loudness started.

03-09-2011 , 08:08 PM

#2264

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Quote:

Originally Posted by waterwolves

I never said the bus driver was going slow on purpose I said it was a possibility. It's actually ridiculous that some people seem appalled that I would think that's a possibility.

It happens all the time and I am still not convinced that didn't happen here but I have no proof of that as of right now.

Still waiting for a link. lololololololol

Let me rephrase. It is not possible for a bus driver to go slowly on purpose and keep a schedule.

You want proof?

Go stand at a bus stop on his route. Look at the schedule.

Did the bus come on time?

There's your proof.

[edit] - Joe beat me to it.

03-09-2011 , 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by waterwolves

Yeah that poor bus driver...... he is making more then some governors.

Wat? Poor tax payer for incompetent management. You realize that if you get overtime payments you actually work for the money? This is definitely not the fault of the driver or the union.

03-09-2011 , 08:10 PM

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Dems are claiming violation of the "open meetings law."

Reps tried to answer his claim, but shouting began so they just banged the gavel to essentially ignore him and move on.

03-09-2011 , 08:12 PM

#2267

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They've already had to redo one vote to have to redo more or have them thrown out in a court would look really bad for them IMO.

03-09-2011 , 08:13 PM

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This move by the Republicans is an honest move. At least they show that they're not doing this for the deficit but because they want to bust the unions.

03-09-2011 , 08:14 PM

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Nobody knows yet if Walker approves of this course of action. It seems that the senate republicans did this on their own.

03-09-2011 , 08:15 PM

#2270

[Phill]

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Lolol, i assume Walker has no plan to be a politician in the future.

03-09-2011 , 08:15 PM

#2271

Brons

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Any thoughts on how this is not going to backfire on the Republicans?

03-09-2011 , 08:15 PM

#2272

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Originally Posted by rjoefish

They've already had to redo one vote to have to redo more or have them thrown out in a court would look really bad for them IMO.

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Originally Posted by Brons

This move by the Republicans is an honest move. At least they show that they're not doing this for the deficit but because they want to bust the unions.

You guys might be right.

But "the ends justify the means" has been a liberal mantra for decades. So we might just be seeing a republican legislature finally take a page from the dem playbook.

03-09-2011 , 08:16 PM

#2273

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Originally Posted by Inso0

Nobody knows yet if Walker approves of this course of action. It seems that the senate republicans did this on their own.

He will probably try to frame it that way but I highly doubt it to be true and I doubt many people will buy it.

03-09-2011 , 08:25 PM

#2274

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Hahahahahahhahahaha @ "ends justify the means" being a liberal trait. You are literally couldnt be more wrong.

03-09-2011 , 08:28 PM

#2275

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Originally Posted by rjoefish

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...2-001cc4c002e0

I have no idea why you're waiting for the link, you've already made up your mind that he was probably slowing down on purpose, its just going to be the same info you've already read here so not sure how its going to change your mind.
For the last time, how do you expect him to be slowing down on purpose here? Its a ****ing bus line with routes and times that have to be kept for ****s sake.

Link is broken.

Anyway there are different ways to slow down. Maybe these guys couldn't finish the routes the way the city had them set up so they had to split them up more. Thus making the city hire more drivers or pay OT. Maybe that's why they put a hiring freeze on it. Maybe they take a super long time doing some kinda safety check. I have seen stuff like that where i work. The point is unjustifed overtime is possible it might not be the case in this instance but it still could be. You guys have never had a bus be late?

Oh and lololololol again poor driver making 150 G's/yr

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