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01-29-2011 , 06:48 PM

#51

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

You missed the point JiggsCasey. US leaves Iraq alone, us gets blamed for supporting him in the first place. Us invades Iraq for a regime change, US gets blamed for doing that, US cuts all aid off to Iraq, US gets blamed for deaths of children. US funds revolutionaries in Iraq, US gets blamed for secret CIA operations undermining a country.... on and on. It is the narcissism of causality of empires. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but that is how it happens when a country takes it upon itself to be the big boy on the block. Action gets condemned, inaction gets condemned on and on...

This isn't a "aww poor US" post, it is saying that that is the way that major powers get viewed in they get tangled up in investments and politics.

We are supposed to be a nation of ...

equal... justice... under... law.

Do it by way of existing international law. Not subterfuge and distortion.

Then the distinction of "right or wrong" takes care of itself.

01-29-2011 , 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Working with the presumed problem of the OP, that civilians are dying, why the hell does it matter if a US Congressman approved it? Do you only object to civilians dying by the US's hand?

Again, it's pretty funny how easily you guys paint yourself into an absurd corner. There are plenty of ways to criticize the Iraq War without these absurd logic fails you keep displaying.

Is this where you tell us all how Saddam would have killed that many anyway if we didn't take him out?

LOL.

01-29-2011 , 06:52 PM

#53

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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey

Is this where you tell us all how Saddam would have killed that many anyway if we didn't take him out?

LOL.

No this is the part where you try to explain why you're outraged over civilian deaths caused by the US but not by Saddam, which is the real question that you and OP need to answer.

01-29-2011 , 06:54 PM

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Gawd, this thread is terrible. OP is an idiot, and about 5 years late.

01-29-2011 , 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

No this is the part where you try to explain why you're outraged over civilian deaths caused by the US but not by Saddam, which is the real question that you and OP need to answer.

LOL. Straw man creation 2.0.

But thanks for providing precisely what Boro predicted...

Can I do like you do, and squawk desperately for a ban on anyone denying Iraq fraud? Perhaps pretentiously lobby for an "Iraq was necessary" coincitard containment thread?

01-29-2011 , 06:59 PM

#56

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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey

Your entire explanation for why its different is that US Congressmen approved one, but not the other. That's nuts. GL to you.

01-29-2011 , 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Your entire explanation for why its different is that US Congressmen approved one, but not the other. That's nuts. GL to you.

LOL... actually, that was 1/4 of my entire explanation... liar.

Anyhow, when it comes to this topic, I don't need luck. Your camp is the one playing with lights and shadows at every turn.

01-29-2011 , 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey

LOL... actually, that was 1/4 of my entire explanation... liar.

Anyhow, when it comes to this topic, I don't need luck. Your camp is the one playing with lights and shadows at every turn.

So civilian deaths are nothing to be outraged about if it was approved by Congress, people went to the UN, the US paid for it and they didn't get Saddam in 1991.

Right, that's a ton better, or even more nonsensical. Also, ****ing light and shadows man, light and shadows.

01-29-2011 , 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

So civilian deaths are nothing to be outraged about if it was approved by Congress, people went to the UN, the US paid for it and they didn't get Saddam in 1991.

Let me know what the straw man says in response to this empty assertion.

Your argument seems to be, "hey, if civilians are gonna be killed anyway, why let it be done by Saddam?" LOL

01-29-2011 , 07:59 PM

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It really is incredible that Ikes can be wrong about absolutely everything on topics as wide ranging as medical opinions, michigan football and genocide.

Last edited by Riverman; 01-29-2011 at 07:59 PM. Reason: and recessions ldo, why is that thread locked?

01-29-2011 , 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JiggsCasey

Is this where you tell us all how Saddam would have killed that many anyway if we didn't take him out?

LOL.

Given a long enough time frame this is clearly true.

01-29-2011 , 11:00 PM

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Cut off all outside aid and collapse his government? ?

yeah uh...this don't work dude PROVEN.

i do agree we should be allowed to assasinate bad guy's around the world

its so morally wrong it's not funny......

But like Benjermin Sisko says "If it saves millions of lives...... thats something I can live with"

01-29-2011 , 11:02 PM

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Cut off all outside aid and collapse his government? ?

01-29-2011 , 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KB24

also you do realize if we never went to the bogus war against iraq, 0 innocent civilians would be dead right?

Jesus Christ, are you on acid?

01-29-2011 , 11:57 PM

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Pale_Moonlight

01-30-2011 , 12:41 AM

#66

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Originally Posted by Riverman

It really is incredible that Ikes can be wrong about absolutely everything on topics as wide ranging as medical opinions, michigan football and genocide.

Genocide? Lol riverman, go welch somewhere else.

01-30-2011 , 01:00 AM

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WTF is this welch nonsense, I paid everyone dude.

01-30-2011 , 01:01 AM

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It doesn't count when it's a year later bro.

01-30-2011 , 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by govman6767

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Pale_Moonlight

Not a Star Trek fan but incredibly acted and well done. Very Shakespearean in his monologues while looking at the audience.

01-30-2011 , 02:16 AM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb4bvDdYb84

this is was euope has to say to the crusaders of the civilized world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FULcv...eature=related

this is cool aswell

01-30-2011 , 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by [Phill]

Given a long enough time frame this is clearly true.

aren't you one of the little fiefdom that squawks "unfalsifiable claims!" over and over again?

01-30-2011 , 02:40 AM

#72

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Originally Posted by KB24

BTW, stop putting words in my mouth. Never said innocent deaths are ok as long as we're not causing them. Every innocent death is a tragedy. No question. You seem to be attacking positions that I don't hold.

This is ikestoy's forte.

01-30-2011 , 02:51 AM

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i do agree we should be allowed to assasinate bad guy's around the world

But only if they're actually your enemies. Should Switzerland train and send assassins against "bad guys" everywhere?

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Originally Posted by govman6767

its so morally wrong it's not funny......

Big, BIG problems arise with notions moral authoritarianism. If you're implying that we're morally superior or obligated somehow to kill the bad guys, you'd be treading in crocodile infested murky waters.

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Originally Posted by govman6767

But like Benjermin Sisko says "If it saves millions of lives...... thats something I can live with"

That's a nice sentiment, albeit somewhat naive. And in hindsight yeah, "the good guys" should have assassinated every evil bastard that killed millions, but not before they actually did so. I'm sure you can see why. However, if, for example, intelligence tells us for sure that mass murder is in the plans for some dictator in some third world country, intervention would be arguably be a moral duty if you're capable of stopping it.

01-30-2011 , 03:43 AM

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What would u have me do op? Post on a forum indignantly? I'm embaressed for our country ill never vote for a republican BC of it and as soon as they're gone ill never vote for a democrat for it. Beyond that would you have me do?