it was posted like a page ago itt. it was a rambling response to a question about how he would work to help BLM and he said that he can relate to "those people" because he grew up in WV and served in the military. it was a pretty terrible response laced with racial undertones that may or may not have been intentional, but to me it's pretty disqualifying

lol no. coming to the conclusion even back in 2016 that trump gives a **** about WV or anything but himself is a quintessential example of exceedingly poor judgment. i mean ffs he campaigned on throwing everybody back down into coal mines and only after they gutted any meaningful safety and environmental regulations

i'm not totally convinced that they're really all that much the same, like at all. i think you're doing a little too much wanting right now

i also think tulsi gabbard sucks, fwiw





edit: idk where youre getting this bit about him growing up under an abusive illegal immigrant father or whatever

from wiki:

ojeda seems to firmly support medical marijuana, which is good, but the fact that he stops short of advocating outright legalization is also a problem and speaks to what i've been saying about not being entirely convinced of his supposed progressive bonafides. and before you say "oh its WV they so conservative" lol those mother****ers use more drugs than just about anyone

Please explain how the bolded can be construed as good judgment.

Also, please explain how Ojeda could have rationally believed that Trump would be better for poor people than Clinton.

Would you feel a lot better if she had represented

Enron
Worldcom
Johns Manville
Pfizer
Monsanto
J&J
Lockheed Martin
Halliburton
any Wall Street Bank
white collar criminal defendants

Lol, what’s the big deal that Gillibrand spent nine years of her career helping Phillip Morris cover-up their ghastly behavior that killed millions, alot of our policy makers/ruling class have previously served the interests of varying degrees of ****ty companies and helped them entrench their power.... congrats, you made the case for “**** them all, send Donald Trump in there to wreck ****”... it was a damn hard case to make, but your excellent advocacy skills got the job done!

Looks like this Avenatti thing is more than just another Wohl prank. Bye, Felicia.

rofl even if that is real (which i'm not convinced it is), he pushed her and...hit her in the face with a pillow..?? lol really?

This and Al Franken.

**** Gillibrand.

Wat. Al Franken had to go. Yes, it's an uneven playing field, but dude was grabbing asses as a Senator. No room for that ****, man.

lol @ trying to cast "I've never struck any woman" as lawyerly weasel words.

Presidential bullet dodged?

rep was the captain of the Avenatti fan club, which I guess explains why he feels duty-bound to go down with the ship.

Egomaniac narcissist is abusive? No.

GTFO forever, tool.

Worth noting that the DA dropped felony charges. It's unclear whether they will pursue misdemeanor charges. Avenatti is calling for the public release of security cam footage in the hall where part of the alleged dragging occured. But whatever, let's just assume he's guilty. Why not.

This.

There was this weird online contingent of liberals just foaming at the mouth and hoping this was true as they did not like Avenatti. Reminds of that weird group of people ready to disown Al Franken for grabbing some air titty.

He may not be your favorite Presidential candidate, but dude can fight and there’s a reason Fox/Trump/Cohen all got shook. He was able to move the needle while Democratic members of Congress were grasping their pearls on tv, “Mr. President how dare....”.

Just let things run their course and let’s not jump at the opportunity to eat our own. Right wingers fight with dirty tactics and we don’t know everything yet. Maybe he’s a POS, no one really knows yet.

Dude, your obsession with defending Franken is entering "freak and a weird dude" territory.

Franken is a creep and I'm glad he's out of the Senate.

Uh, you left out the second part, which was weasely as heck.

Obviously it's correct to reserve judgement here, but Avenatti smacking some trophy girl around seems more plausible than her just making it up.

And lol @ defending Franken. Even on a strategic level, the optics would be horrible for the party if they turned a blind eye to that ****.

He has multiple times made clear definitive statements about it. He has not left room to weasel out later. If he's lying, he's straight up lying, no gloss.

Her making it up doesn't seem that implausible to me. It could just be embellished from a real story of a fight they had.

For the record, I am not the one defending Franken and in fact have always agreed with his ouster.

I think on this forum I'm the only one who understands someone like Ojeda, who he is, and where he comes from. Rather than get into it now, Id just comment to rep that I did not say he came from abusive parents or intend to imply that, the toxic environment that he grew up in that i was referring to is rural west virginia, not his immediate family.

Heres the great introductory speech to his campaign announcement, I'd suggest you listen to it

The careful wording works both ways. Hitting her with pillows and dragging her around could be someone tossing up pillows to buffer a woman coming at you without putting your hands on her. Dragging her around could be her clutching his ankle as he tries to leave the room. I’m sure a lot of us have dealt with situatuons in ways that could have been technically true if worded in a way to try to make you sound as the aggressor when you prob handled it in the best manner possible.

Hopefully the truth comes to light either way.

Yes to all of this.

Guys the continued caping for Avenatti is getting kind of insane. The vast majority of assault allegations by women are real, also Avenatti is just about the last person in the world I'd want to make a false accusation against.

Due process of course, but that doesn't mean he's entitled to our collective respect until he clears his name.

you know he was never in my actual top 3 for potus 2020 right?

if you think a story alleging that he PUSHED HER AND HIT HER WITH A PILLOW isn't fairly ridiculous then idk what to say

and this also. its crazy how frothy he gets some of the forum members here

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

you also said his dad was an illegal immigrant tho, which he's not.

idk what gives you special insight re: ojeda but whatever, do you homie

That post is ridiculous. Pillows weren't the only thing that was alleged. Not surprising that you're being intellectually dishonest when it comes to one of your ponies. And if iirc you were one of the guys up in arms for Franken with some misogynistic crap.

If he's innocent, fine. But you were victim blaming before the details even came out.

Also Tina Smith just won a special election to serve out the rest of the term by 10% and is probably a big favorite to win again in 2020. Why waste any time dwelling on Franken? It's a safe Democratic seat. If it were Doug Jones or Jon Tester or some ****, you'd at least to have weigh the merits of a sex pest in the Senate versus a Republican who would harm women in more systemic ways, but in this case it's a sex pest (Franken) versus a perfectly acceptable if not virtually politically identical replacement.

There's really no good reason not to move on from Franken other than taking a needless personal stake in the reputation of a probable sex pest which, welp.

you dont recall correctly, because youre a ****ing idiot with a personal grudge

link me to where it's alleged that he did more than push/restrain her and hit her with a pillow





https://nypost.com/2018/11/15/mike-a...olence-arrest/

i haven't taken a side either way on this. you have tho, like quite clearly.