Also it is always great to hear people on the right try and discount any of the candidates when they support a rapist con man with an IQ of about 85.

Your god king has violated one of the sacred ten commandments on the reg. How is lying with another man, something metnioned once or twice in passing in the ****ty parts of the book worse than violating the directly handed down from on high rules by which to live given directly to moses?

Pretty sure gay people have children sometimes and can be invested into the future. Pretty sure the ones that dont do have family who do and can be invested into the future. Even the ones without any of that can still be invested into the future because the want future generations to exist.

And anyway a green new deal seems to show he does care more about future generations then any republican.


I thought somigosaden was parroting a republican attack but i guess not.

Well, remember that Lieberman was already primaried in 2006 and lost to Ned Lamont - but then went on to win as an independent anyway. He then went on to campaign for his good buddy John McCain in the 2008 election, so he was quite willing to stick it to the Obama administration and they had very little leverage against him. I'm doubtful they could have done much more to move him than they did.

As for getting rid of the filibuster, I'm doubtful there are enough votes in the Senate now to do that, and there certainly wasn't in 2009-10. Some activists were pushing for this, but there was much less support for that than for ACA. I know it isn't the progressive view of Obama right now, but I don't see a really viable path to a better health care plan than we got in 2010 given how extremely close it came to not passing at all.

Gallup polling

In 2010 47% of people said health care was the responsibility of the government. In 2019 57% did.

It is not certain that AOC would win if she ran for mayor. And it is even less certain that she would be widely perceived as an effective mayor. (DeBlasio and AOC are pretty close on policy and DeBlasio is not perceived as particularly effective.) The history of NYC government is more autocratic than most assume.

In any case, being the mayor of NYC has never been an effective stepping stone to the presidency.

I think the bolded is an open question. AOC is wildly popular with voters in her district and wildly popular with the media. But upstate New York is a lot different than the Bronx. And I think Schumer or some other old guy would have a pretty big advantage upstate.

One big advantage for AOC is that her supporters are VERY supportive. That counts for a lot.

her detractors are similarly dedicated

she clearly knows how to organize and lead

I honestly don't see AOC winning any position other than the one she has. She is too polarizing and her popularity is wildly overestimated. Polling shows more people view her unfavorably than favorably.

She is an incredibly effective advocate for her causes as proven by the amount of publicity she is able to generate. But her best path to change is to be an effective member of the House. In her defense I think that is the only thing she is focused on right now anyway. It's the press and her supporters who are imagining her path to the White House, she just wants to get s*** done.

You mean the polls where everyone likes her but old white guys?

https://morningconsult.com/2019/01/1...s-rising-fame/

The force is strong in AOC. Her unfavorability is 28% and will never get much worse. Virtually all of the movement out of the 49% that either don't know her or have no opinion will be to approval.

AOC's unfavorability aligns pretty much perfectly with the 41% of this nation that in March 2019 thinks Trump is actually doing a good job of president. Pretty much the same amount that gets the sole source of news from Fox News and the rest of the derposphere. She's only polarizing to people that would never vote for a non-deplorable anyways.

I think it's stunningly myopic to not see how she has major potential for higher office than her house seat.

Sorry, I wasn't clear, I mean I don't see a viable path for a better bill in 2010 than Obamacare - now the political environment is different. I'm still skeptical because I don't think we'll get enough Senators in 2020 and I'm doubtful that they'll get rid of the legislative filibuster, but if we had 60 votes now I do think we'd get something closer to single-payer or at least a public option.

We should keep a public option in mind in 2044 when having 60 votes might actually be possible.

If something doesn't pass soon, states like CA will do it on their own and states like Kansas will just have their own non-socialist paradises.

Family man, family man, I want to crucify you on your front door with nails from your well-stocked garage.

Pete the Mayor on Bill Maher Friday Night

Bolded is just you projecting your own political ideas onto these people. What you're talking about there is largely Obama voters who switched to Trump. I don't have a good handle on how those people think politically and I don't believe you do either. The only thing I can say with certainty is that they appear to be super pissed off with the establishment/status quo.

I forget where I first read this, but a big problem with individual states trying to do socialism is that they can't print money.

LOL at saying the unfavorability of any politician "will never get much worse." Pappy Bush was at nearly 90 percent approval during the Gulf War, yet lost re-election.

AOC vs Schumer primary in 2022 is gonna be lit.

States do all kinds of socialism. For example they provide the vast majority of education. That's $668B/year just on primary and secondary. Even with higher education it's less than universal health care would cost, but it's not that far off.

Biden trying to get in front of Anita Hill criticism and it seems kinda weak!

Are you sure "couldn't" is the word you're looking for there, Joe?

Ok somehow his attempt to apologize has wound up digging the hole even deeper