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01-28-2019 , 07:18 PM

#3151

Rococo

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

If the third party candidate is of some consequence and is centrist does that push the Democratic candidate further to the right or left?

The main thing it would do is skewer the Democratic candidate, but I agree that this is an interesting question. I could see it going either way.

01-28-2019 , 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

His response was more detailed than that. He also said Trump sucked as President and he regretted his vote. But his explanation of his vote makes sense to me. Donald Trump came to WV multiple times and said I'm gonna do things for you to improve your ****ty lives. He was lying, ldo, but he did say that. Hillary Clinton said "Your main industry is dead. I'm going to get you retraining," which is hard to hear, man, even if it's mostly true. Donald Trump was promising to improve their material condition and Hillary Clinton was promising to give them bootstraps.

Again, I'm not saying he made the right choice, but neither is he. I'm grading him on the spectrum of answers to the question "Why did you make the terrible decision to vote for Donald Trump?" The answer: "it was a terrible decision, but I hated Hillary Clinton and the way she screwed Bernie, and Trump was promising to make my friends and family's ****ty lives better" is clearly a good answer on that scale.

How did Hillary screw bernie again I’m so dumb I always forget the specifics

01-28-2019 , 07:34 PM

#3153

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Originally Posted by David Sklansky

If the third party candidate is of some consequence and is centrist does that push the Democratic candidate further to the right or left?

Depends on what direction Putin feels like taking left voters in.

01-28-2019 , 07:41 PM

#3154

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Originally Posted by mutigers

How did Hillary screw bernie again I’m so dumb I always forget the specifics

lol the salt dude, relax. I couldn't care less about the 2016 primary. That's his take on it and a pretty common one. Visit Google.com if you need to learn more.

01-28-2019 , 07:57 PM

#3155

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

LOL no.

An EC margin of 500 is absolutely impossible in this political climate right now.

I don't know what the EC margin would be, but my point is either one would lose in a landslide.

01-28-2019 , 08:05 PM

#3156

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Originally Posted by campfirewest

I don't know what the EC margin would be, but my point is either one would lose in a landslide.

Was 2016 a "landslide"? If not, which Hillary states do Bernie and Warren drop while apparently picking up none of MI/WI/PA?

01-28-2019 , 08:09 PM

#3157

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-edit deleted original post this is a dumb sidetrack I’m not gonna relitigate 2016

The Kamala Harris truancy stuff really bothers me. Gf is a public defender who has to spend half her time on these complete horse**** truancy cases which are a complete waste of time for prosecutors and PDs alike. The fact that she chose to lean into them in 2015 is disconcerting to me. All candidates have flaws like these but like I’ve said before i want an acknowledgement that they were wrong not defending the indefensible

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01-28-2019 , 08:25 PM

#3158

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@mutigers: Re your deleted post.

Fair enough. It's not an issue that I care about, so that part of his answer doesn't bother me, even if it's a big exaggeration.

01-28-2019 , 09:17 PM

#3159

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Was 2016 a "landslide"? If not, which Hillary states do Bernie and Warren drop while apparently picking up none of MI/WI/PA?

Virtually every possible democrat will be a sizable favorite come 2020. You have to make a lot of very interesting assumptions to get to any other conclusion.

01-28-2019 , 10:24 PM

#3160

ScreaminAsian

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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...57028314243072

01-28-2019 , 10:26 PM

#3161

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That's a hell of a heckle.

01-28-2019 , 10:30 PM

#3162

whosnext

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Too "on the nose" for the typical heckle.

01-28-2019 , 11:10 PM

#3163

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Michael Bloomberg lambastes third-party candidates, warning they could help re-elect Trump

In a statement released Monday, Bloomberg spoke harshly of third-party candidacies, pointing to the research he’d done on independent candidacies in the past.

His conclusion was clear: “In 2020, the great likelihood is that an independent would just split the anti-Trump vote and end up reelecting the President."

“The data was very clear and consistent,” he said. “Given the strong pull of partisanship and the realities of the electoral college system, there is no way an independent can win. That is truer today than ever before."

01-28-2019 , 11:18 PM

#3164

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Was 2016 a "landslide"? If not, which Hillary states do Bernie and Warren drop while apparently picking up none of MI/WI/PA?

They drop states where Trump got at least 43-44% of the vote in 2016.

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic

Virtually every possible democrat will be a sizable favorite come 2020. You have to make a lot of very interesting assumptions to get to any other conclusion.

I’m assuming the US hasn’t changed from being a center right country, and the further a candidate is from that in a national race the more votes they lose.

01-28-2019 , 11:34 PM

#3165

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Originally Posted by campfirewest

They drop states where Trump got at least 43-44% of the vote in 2016.

So Warren or Bernie would lose:

Colorado
Virginia
Maine
Nevada
Minnesota
NH (lol at either of them losing here, even though it's the closest)

gjge

01-28-2019 , 11:37 PM

#3166

champstark

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Just tuned into the Harris town hall, did she address the prosecutor stuff yet? Curious what her line is gonna be.

01-28-2019 , 11:46 PM

#3167

champstark

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god why are Democrats so horrible on guns

the best she can do is background checks and assault weapon ban

01-28-2019 , 11:47 PM

#3168

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Originally Posted by campfirewest

I’m assuming the US hasn’t changed from being a center right country, and the further a candidate is from that in a national race the more votes they lose.

As illustrated by the centrist Hillary Clinton crushing the far-right Donald Trump? Riiiiiight.

01-28-2019 , 11:47 PM

#3169

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Originally Posted by campfirewest

They drop states where Trump got at least 43-44% of the vote in 2016.

I’m assuming the US hasn’t changed from being a center right country, and the further a candidate is from that in a national race the more votes they lose.

I'd probably classify the US as center right, but virtually all the leftist policies that will dictate the dem primary poll at 60-70%. The dems just crushed the midterms. They've won nearly every election the last 30 years in popular vote.

Do you actually think against a Bernie/Warren that Trump would have Hillary or better % to win right before the election? That's insane imo.

01-28-2019 , 11:52 PM

#3170

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Originally Posted by champstark

god why are Democrats so horrible on guns

the best she can do is background checks and assault weapon ban

Because there's a load of Democrats who own guns. Even if it is less than Republicans it's still a large number of voters to reckon with.

01-28-2019 , 11:55 PM

#3171

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Fwiw Harris isn't in my top 3 for preference but I absolutely have her as the front runner.

01-28-2019 , 11:56 PM

#3172

champstark

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic

Fwiw Harris isn't in my top 3 for preference but I absolutely have her as the front runner.

Yeah, agree with this. It's hers to lose as of right now.

01-29-2019 , 12:10 AM

#3173

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Is she gonna get pilloried from the left for stuff like this? (I think it would help her in the general.)

01-29-2019 , 12:19 AM

#3174

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She will, but I don't think any candidate (and no major media companies) will attack her on it. So, she will get attacked on the left for it but literally the most influential sources will be Twitter users and podcasts like chapo. That won't bleed you many voters in the primary and she is good enough people will be able to stomach voting for her if she wins the primary.

01-29-2019 , 12:43 AM

#3175

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She was very strong in her town hall. I guess people can dreg up old videos of her saying bad things but today she endorsed a broad, progressive platform: reforming the criminal justice system, anti-death penalty, medicare for all, green new deal, even a basic income style tax cut where you receive it monthly instead of a lump sum at the end of the year.

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