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10-18-2015 , 02:33 PM

#15176

ikestoys

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Well, those are the people with actual campaigns and a chance at winning.

10-18-2015 , 02:37 PM

#15177

AsianNit

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Carson is the flavor of the month soaking up the soft support of people looking for the non-Trump, non-Jeb candidate. If Trump went hard at Carson, Carson would probably fall and Rubio would be the next man up until Trump made him look like a pussy, too. (Moreso than he already looks like one.)

10-18-2015 , 02:51 PM

#15178

synth_floyd

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So Trump will be the nominee?

10-18-2015 , 03:00 PM

#15179

AsianNit

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Trump's future is hard to read. I thought he was a unique candidate early on in the process and don't think there are candidates who are good analogies to use for predicting how his campaign will go. The closest comparable candidate in my mind is that he's a bit like Howard Dean, with immigration instead of Iraq as his signature issue, but he's starting with more name recognition. That makes Jeb a bit like a less competent right-wing John Kerry.

10-18-2015 , 03:11 PM

#15180

Mayo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

He doesn't have any real support either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Well, those are the people with actual campaigns and a chance at winning.

So in ikes-ese, "hav[ing] real support" means "[having] a chance at winning?" Is that right? Ron Paul didn't have real support? Bernie Sanders doesn't? Lyndon LaRouche didn't? Barry Goldwater? Ted Kennedy in 1980?

You know that words have actual commonly agreed upon meanings, right? You don't just get to say something, then claim that what you said means something other than what everyone else thinks the words mean, and then get mad at us for using words like "support" or "resonate" in regular, non-ikes-y ways.

10-18-2015 , 03:15 PM

#15181

ikestoys

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and operators, how do they work?

In addition, I'm clearly not defining real support in that post. Go back to ignoring me please.

10-18-2015 , 03:23 PM

#15182

Mayo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Go back to ignoring me please.

It's not possible. You, like Trump and Carson, dominate this forum despite having no real support.

10-18-2015 , 03:30 PM

#15183

Alex Wice

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Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,952

Tough because Trump has consistently said he is a counter puncher, not going after anyone until they go after him. Carson has stayed out of the line of fire and has picked up a lot of momentum. So it seems harder for Trump to attack him, even though Carson is the only other person in double digits.

10-18-2015 , 03:31 PM

#15184

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by revots33

The Carson surge is a mystery to me. The guy has given 2 horrible debate performances and seems like a complete clown. He doesn't get all the free media coverage Trump gets, so I can't figure what hole his supporters are crawling out of. Seems likely he will overtake Trump in the polls soon.

We saw this last republican cycle with the Repubs and somebody new but having no real shot surging every few weeks. Same will happen to Carson. He is drawing way dead in the general and everyone on that side knows it

10-18-2015 , 03:56 PM

#15185

rjoefish

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You see a lot of Carson bill boards in Iowa. I think it's a symptom of first in the nation gotta throw money at it versus real support but I'm not seeing the same signage from others.

10-18-2015 , 04:05 PM

#15186

Roonil Wazlib

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mayo

It's not possible. You, like Trump and Carson, dominate this forum despite having no real support.

And saying a lot of nothing.

10-18-2015 , 05:08 PM

#15187

Paul D

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Who would've figured Steelhouse would've jumped on the Trump wagon.

10-18-2015 , 05:22 PM

#15188

synth_floyd

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When will they finally move the first contests away from Iowa and NH? Though even more dumb than that is the fact that these 2 tiny states with <1% of the delegates or whatever that actually counts has such a big influence on the whole race. I hope at some point some candidate comes in, ignores the early contests and only focuses on big states that have all the delegates to win.

10-18-2015 , 05:25 PM

#15189

rjoefish

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That's a terrible strategy though.

10-18-2015 , 05:27 PM

#15190

Mayo

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Quote:

Originally Posted by synth_floyd

I hope at some point some candidate comes in, ignores the early contests and only focuses on big states that have all the delegates to win.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudy_G...campaign,_2008

10-18-2015 , 06:10 PM

#15191

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mayo

It's not possible. You, like Trump and Carson, dominate this forum despite having no real support.

Then feel free to not make such absurd characterizations of what I said.

10-18-2015 , 07:26 PM

#15192

FlyWf

It's the other way

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Ben Carson is literally a moron:
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/10/be...ast-would-have

Quote:

STEPHANOPOULOS: That's what you said he should have done.

But how would that have worked?

How would you have gotten the moderate Arab governments to turn over Osama bin Laden in two weeks?

He'd already been expelled by Saudi Arabia. He was already an enemy of those moderate governments.

CARSON: Well, I think they would have been extremely concerned if we had declared -- and we were serious about it -- that we were going to become petroleum independent, because it would have had a major impact on their finances.

And I think that probably would have trumped any loyalty that they had to -- to people like Osama bin Laden.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But they didn't have any loyalty to Osama bin Laden. The Saudis kicked him out. He was their enemy.

CARSON: Well, you may not think that they had any loyalty to him, but I believe otherwise.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So you believe that had President Bush simply declared energy independence, they would have turned over Osama bin Laden.

How would they have gotten him out of the tribal areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan?

CARSON: I think they would have known where he was. You know, there were indications, for instance, during the Clinton administration that -- that they knew exactly where he was but didn't necessarily pull the trigger.

If -- if we could tell where he was, I'm certain that they knew where he was.

10-18-2015 , 07:53 PM

#15193

Roonil Wazlib

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Yessssss

Bush channeling dear ikestoys with all that goal post shifting and semantikesing

10-18-2015 , 07:57 PM

#15194

Trolly McTrollson

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Fly's abuse of the word "literally" never stops ruffling my jerries.

10-18-2015 , 08:22 PM

#15195

goofyballer

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lol oh man. Instant pivot from "next Trump will blame FDR for Pearl Harbor, it's what you do after the attack that matters" to "well Obama and Hillary had a responsibility to keep BENGHAZIIIIII secure"