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08-15-2015 , 10:18 PM

#10026

seattlelou

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jbrochu

Leave the retirement benefits alone and cut half of the rest of the spending.

Who knows exactly what. Since we're spending as much as most of the rest of the world combined, there has to be thousands of places we can cut.

If you want to cut the cost if the military you need to downgrade the expectations for it. We task out military with the ability to dominate the battlefield in two different theaters simultaneously. Nobody else has the expectation of its military.

08-15-2015 , 10:19 PM

#10027

BigPoppa

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou

The average federal corporate tax rate was 19.4 percent for the years 2008 to 2012. I don't know what the average federal income tax rate was on earned income to compare it too but I would guess it is lower. I think average capital gains tax is higher than average payroll deductions too.

Wouldn't you have to add Fed Income Tax + State Income Tax + Medicare + SS to get the total.

Just looking at Fed Income Tax paid is what people with an agenda do to make it look like most people don't pay much in taxes.

08-15-2015 , 10:29 PM

#10028

seattlelou

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Originally Posted by BigPoppa

I think I laid out the comparison in post 10004. I ignored state taxes as it complicates the question.

08-15-2015 , 10:43 PM

#10029

Jbrochu

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou

Good. Keep us from poking our nose in where it doesn't belong. Let's get back to spending money on defense instead of offense imo.

It's not like we still wouldn't be spending a huge amount more than other countries. Just not more than all of them combined.

Plus some of our cuts could force other countries to start spending on their own defense. So no net loss in good guys arms spending versus bad guys arms spending.

08-15-2015 , 11:52 PM

#10030

[Phill]

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Lol at him much America spends on veterans. Maybe stop starting a new ground war every five years guys.

Also the easy solution is to treat veterans like republicans treat 9/11 responders. Save a couple hundo billion by just not paying to look after them. Call it the "Treat veterans of all wars, Benghazi and 9/11 equally act".

08-15-2015 , 11:57 PM

#10031

BigPoppa

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Yeah, shocking how much we'd save if we stopped crippling soldiers for life.

Funny how the War on Drugs and the War on Everyone Who Looks Shifty are two massively expensive and wasteful programs that the GOP just ****ing loves.

08-16-2015 , 12:25 AM

#10032

Huehuecoyotl

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Wait did the Iraq War and the endless drone war even fall under the DOD budget?

08-16-2015 , 12:27 AM

#10033

BigPoppa

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They usually put that **** under an emergency provision so it doesn't count against the deficit.

It's like not counting calories if it's a special occasion.

08-16-2015 , 12:37 AM

#10034

renodoc

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BigPoppa

So, again, you've got 16 peeps who pretty much agree with bombing the crap or locking up brown people and then there's Rand.

08-16-2015 , 01:05 AM

#10035

seattlelou

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Originally Posted by BigPoppa

They usually put that **** under an emergency provision so it doesn't count against the deficit.

It's like not counting calories if it's a special occasion.

The Iraq war counted against the deficit in the actual results which is simply money in versus money out. The gimmicky accounting did prevent it from being included in future deficit projections by the CBO. There is still plenty of those gimmicks left. The biggest one I know of is the Medicare "doc fix" which is enacted each year.

08-16-2015 , 01:23 AM

#10036

rjoefish

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The doc fix is gone.

08-16-2015 , 01:27 AM

#10037

renodoc

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Originally Posted by rjoefish

The doc fix is gone.

08-16-2015 , 01:28 AM

#10038

seattlelou

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Originally Posted by rjoefish

The doc fix is gone.

Sure enough! Way to go republican congress.

08-16-2015 , 01:41 AM

#10039

renodoc

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou

Sure enough! Way to go republican congress.

Facetious?

If you know the history of this fiasco its obviously a good thing that its gone.

08-16-2015 , 01:45 AM

#10040

seattlelou

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Originally Posted by renodoc

Facetious?

If you know the history of this fiasco its obviously a good thing that its gone.

Not facetious. I just read (after Rjoe post) that Congress passed a bill this year to fix it. Must be missing something I don't understand your comment.

08-16-2015 , 01:47 AM

#10041

rjoefish

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It was a bipartisan effort.

08-16-2015 , 01:50 AM

#10042

seattlelou

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Originally Posted by rjoefish

It was a bipartisan effort.

See with Republican leadership in Congress things can get done.

08-16-2015 , 02:50 AM

#10043

suzzer99

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Maybe because democrats don't throw a hissy fit when someone from the other side suggests their own damn idea back to them?

08-16-2015 , 04:56 AM

#10044

[Phill]

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Quote:

Originally Posted by renodoc

So, again, you've got 16 peeps who pretty much agree with bombing the crap or locking up brown people and then there's Rand.

But he wants to increase defence spending.

An extra 77bn+/yr soon adds up to the equiv of a ground war.

Maybe he will bring down the number of active conflicts but it probably won't be a saving compared to every single Democrat. Even Hillary who is as far right as the dem field could get on war.

If his actions matched his rhetoric he would be good on the drug war, but he couldn't do much without Congress so it's not as big a positive as you are claiming.

08-16-2015 , 06:42 AM

#10045

adios

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Originally Posted by Jbrochu

When someone doesn't account for defense spending as a percentage of GDP I know they are ignorant regarding the topic and in fact they are ignorant on federal govt spending in general.

08-16-2015 , 06:45 AM

#10046

adios

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Wait did the Iraq War and the endless drone war even fall under the DOD budget?

Yes

08-16-2015 , 06:53 AM

#10047

adios

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BigPoppa

SS is deferred income not a tax FYI. That is why there are upper limits on income where mandatory contributions are made. There is a max amount that can be paid monthly by SS. A hypothetical person making $30,000 a year will collect a smaller monthly income than if they were making $100,000 a year because they contributed less deferred income. FICA revenue goes into the trust funds and the trust funds pay out SS and Medicare benefits.

People that call SS contributions a tax have an agenda to make it look like most people pay too much in taxes and the rich don't pay enough.

08-16-2015 , 06:57 AM

#10048

[Phill]

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adios

When someone doesn't account for defense spending as a percentage of GDP I know they are ignorant regarding the topic and in fact they are ignorant on federal govt spending in general.

Defence spending shouldn't be measured or compared as a share of gdp. This is obvious.