Who Will Be The 2016 Republican Nominee? (It's Donald Trump) - Page 1647 - Politics and Economics

How the hell does the topic come up often enough for you to find 10 people like that?

Though if I'm looking for a demographic that hates immigrants, California Republican would be a good fit.

I bet Fly has a theory, particularly once you narrow the sample down to Republicans.

Fly has the same theory for everything. If that theory was true, it would work for Wisconsin or Texas just as much as it would for any other state.

04-07-2016 , 11:50 PM

#41153

ALLTheCookies

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Originally Posted by Mayo

Do they actually like him, or are they doing it "for the lulz?"

Either way, I ****ing hate them.

So he wins the nomination and Clinton owns him.

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Originally Posted by iron81

My Dad has a small business and talks to everybody. He tells me.

04-07-2016 , 11:57 PM

#41154

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I was surprised to see all the polls saying Clinton clubs Trump in national polls. Is that still the case? I thought it would be close but reading it, its saying it wouldn't even be a contest

04-08-2016 , 12:15 AM

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Mayo

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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

So he wins the nomination and Clinton owns him.

Well, I still hate them.

Warriors beating the Spurs by about 20 aorn.

04-08-2016 , 12:55 AM

#41156

Loki

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Originally Posted by DeadMoneyWalking

New Yorkers understand each other

Who is he gonna support, NY hatin' Cruz?

04-08-2016 , 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by the pleasure

I was surprised to see all the polls saying Clinton clubs Trump in national polls. Is that still the case? I thought it would be close but reading it, its saying it wouldn't even be a contest

Clinton is certainly the fave, but these polls aren't that great right now. A lot of voters aren't even paying attention to the election yet. If Trump is still doing this poorly with women in October though, Clinton will curb stomp him.

04-08-2016 , 01:04 AM

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Subfallen

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Originally Posted by aflametotheground

Found some interresting comments from Chomsky.

Noam, perhaps because more outrageous political characters are drawn into US politics than at any other time in the recent past, we have become witnesses of some strange developments, such as GOP candidates attacking “free trade” agreements and even someone like Donald Trump having turned against his fellow billionaires. Are we witnessing the end of the old economic establishment in American politics?

Noam Chomsky: There is something new in the 2016 election, but it is not the appearance of candidates who frighten the old establishment. That has been happening regularly. It traces back to the shift of both parties to the right during the neoliberal years, the Republicans so far to the right that they are unable to get votes with their actual policies: dedication to the welfare of the very rich and the corporate sector. The Republican leadership has accordingly been compelled to mobilize a popular base on issues that are peripheral to their core concerns: the Second Coming, “open carry” in schools, Obama as a Muslim, lashing out at the weak and victimized, and the rest of the familiar fare. The base that they’ve put together has regularly produced candidates unacceptable to the establishment: [Michele] Bachmann, [Herman] Cain, [Rick] Santorum, [Mike] Huckabee…. But the establishment has always been able to beat them down in the usual ways and get their own man ([Mitt] Romney). What is different this time is that the base is out of control, and the establishment is almost going berserk. Analogies should not be pressed too far, but the phenomenon is not unfamiliar. The German industrialists and financiers were happy to use the Nazis as a weapon against the working class and the left, assuming that they could be kept under control. Didn’t quite work out that way. All of this aside, the US is not immune to the general decline of the mainstream political parties of the West, and the growth of political insurgencies on the right and left (though “left” means moderate social democracy, in practice) — one of the predictable consequences of the neoliberal policies that have undermined democracy and caused substantial harm to most of the population, the less privileged sectors. All familiar.

*

It appears that big-ticket conservative donors, like the Koch brothers, are turning their back on the Republican Party. If this is actually true, what might possibly be the explanation for this development?

Noam Chomsky: The reason, I think, is that they are having a problem controlling the base they have mobilized, and are seeking some way to avoid a serious blow to their interests. It wouldn’t entirely surprise me if they manage somehow to control the [Republican National] Convention and possibly even bring in someone like Paul Ryan. Not a prospect to welcome, in my opinion.

http://usa.greekreporter.com/2016/03...ut-of-control/

Chomsky still with the unreal sharpness at age 87. "Analogies should not be pressed too far, but the phenomenon is not unfamiliar." LEGEND.

04-08-2016 , 02:53 AM

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Lilu7

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Cruz really regretting that "NY values" comment. It's been the only blunder he's made that is presenting real threat of crushing his dreams by being the reason Trumpy Dumpy gets to 1237

04-08-2016 , 05:43 AM

#41160

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Originally Posted by Dids

You've mostly missed the point, which is that regardless of what I want to happen politically- I don't want to have any type of hang with the sort of person who is called to action by Bernie's corny ass populist rhetoric (Like if you're invoking "greed" as some pure evil, I'm turning out). That sort of person is exhausting to me.

But in terms of what you're talking about:

I very strongly feel (and I think this is a POV that comes with maturity) that bluster and loud noises aren't nearly as important as pragmatism. Nice ideas are nice, but they don't go anywhere without being willing to play in the mud and make compromises. "Half measures" actually do make things better for people here and now.

Where you're the most wrong is the "looking in the mirror" part. I know exactly who I am and I know exactly have a perception of the world we live in. It's an crummy imperfect one where all what I perceive as the backbone and hopeful idealism in the world has a far too slim chance to help you or others with what I perceive needs to change.

FYP

This post reeks of a person in depression FWIW. Seriously dude, consider therapy if not already in therapy. No shame in admitting you need help.

04-08-2016 , 09:34 AM

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FlyWf

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Originally Posted by ludacris

It's uhhh... the job of an elected politician to spread their message and motivate people to vote for them.

Yep. Hey, so Bernie crushed Hilldawg in Wisconsin, how'd the downballot state supreme court go there?

Oh, the right wing guy won? Huh. How much of Bernie's stump speech was about spreading the message and endorsing downballot Ds?

04-08-2016 , 09:56 AM

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FlyWf

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#Feel the Barn

04-08-2016 , 10:18 AM

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Tried to listen carefully but I couldn't make out what Rick Scott was saying in response. Just that he said they created a million jobs or something.

re NY values. Cruz should've used that when campaigning in the southern states. Atleast get his money's worth for dissing those coastal elites. Instead he said it before Iowa and then dropped it.

04-08-2016 , 11:10 AM

#41164

Shaomai888

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Bill Clinton completely owned Michelle Alexander here. Hopefully they start taking her book off the shelves.

04-08-2016 , 11:25 AM

#41165

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

You read some hit piece and parrot it back?

So, yeah, about 10% of Bernie's voters (many very young, some, through no fault of Bernie's, just independents who could have any kind of wacky ideology) voted for the crazy justice, while 4% of Hillary's old respectable Democrats did.

Bernie didn't elect that damn justice and it's not his fault that Cruz and Trump brought people out to vote.

04-08-2016 , 11:35 AM

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If Bernie weren't running like half as many people would be showing up at any of these primaries to vote for a Democrat at all. For whatever down ballot races there have been across the country during these primaries, liberals certainly have benefited from Bernie.

The standard that the very serious people of the DEMe hold Bernie to is insane. Hillary gets to be a strategic and smart politician in anything is questionable, but Bernie is a sanctimonious, ineffectual, knownothing if the slightest doubt even crosses your mind.

04-08-2016 , 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

I really don't get the cross-appeal between LA and NY. It makes no sense.

If only there were some common thread among Republicans across this area, some characteristic that isn't quite as prevalent in the Midwest and West. Or at least is beat out by actual sincere Bible luvin' in the Midwest. Hmmmmm...

04-08-2016 , 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyWf

Well, it was a woman, so go back and read your Salon article again and focus on the details.

Bernie supported her in his speeches

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Sanders slammed Walker for the voter ID law he rammed through his pet legislature. He plugged the candidacy of progressive Joanne Kloppenberg for the state supreme court; Kloppenberg is running against Rebecca Bradley, a Walker protégé who's riding on a tidal wave of dark money.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics...ers-wisconsin/

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He spent much of his speech going after Republican Gov. Scott Walker — a popular play among Democratic voters in Wisconsin — and made his first public comments about the state's Supreme Court race.

The Vermont senator said Walker is trying to maintain control of the court by electing Justice Rebecca Bradley, whom he appointed to fill a vacancy in October.

"I hope a large turnout on Tuesday will help elect (Appeals Court Judge) JoAnne Kloppenburg to the Supreme Court," Sanders said.

http://www.thenation.com/article/san...onsin-primary/

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The next night, at a rally in Madison, Bernie Sanders told thousands of cheering supporters, “I hope that a large voter turnout on Tuesday will help elect JoAnne Kloppenburg to the Supreme Court.”

http://www.thenation.com/article/san...onsin-primary/

There's no parties on the ballots when voting for judges. Furthermore, 72,000 more GOP voters voted in the primary. So even if everyone voted along party lines, the conservative judge would have won. Maybe if Hillary and her supporters could've gotten more voters out...

Bernie supporters voted 79% to 10% in favor of Kloppenburg, despite crushing her with independents... if you're to believe Benchmark Politics, which has this 1k twitter followers and this fancy shmancy website:

http://www.benchmarkpolitics.com/

04-08-2016 , 11:42 AM

#41169

suzzer99

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Originally Posted by Lilu7

Cruz really regretting that "NY values" comment. It's been the only blunder he's made that is presenting real threat of crushing his dreams by being the reason Trumpy Dumpy gets to 1237

Given that it was Cruz I'm sure it was a calculated move. When was the last time NY was even in play?

04-08-2016 , 11:43 AM

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The MSNBC coverage at least was focusing exactly on how Bernie was making the campaign local in Wisconsin by talking so much about that supreme court race.

04-08-2016 , 12:26 PM

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Shaomai888

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CNN HEADLINE: Is Bernie taking the low road?

04-08-2016 , 12:27 PM

#41172

[Phill]

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Oh yeah I am sure he will turn it around as people see those videos on Facebook where he is sexualising his one year old daughter in the early 90s or where he is specialising his teenage daughter in the 00s or read quotes from his ex wife about how he raped her etc etc.

I really think trump will do even worse with women than he is polling now. He just won't be able to help himself against Clinton saying something truly offensive.