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Who Will Be The 2016 Republican Nominee? (It's Donald Trump) Who Will Be The 2016 Republican Nominee? (It's Donald Trump)

02-26-2016 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Alex Wice
I see the current political ethos as an extension of the occupy movement. This is reflected in different ways in both trump and Sanders. They get the biggest crowds and the most enthusiasm. (For example in likelyness to switch vote.)

First let's talk a bit about occupy. "The 1%." Of course what they actually meant is the .001% but whatever. In my opinion this was a result of unrest due to economic factors. Median real wages (meaning after inflation) are down/flat, even with growing technological improvements. People didn't really know who to blame, all they saw is they couldn't make ends meet. Somehow it got spun up with hating rich people. "Right for the wrong reason", corruption is the reason if there was one, wall st just became the poster boy because it was easy to hate (again because of the hate rich people stuff.) Anyways that died down due to an internal fracture: people wanted to use it for their own agendas. But it ended without a clear resolution.

Today that message is still present, especially in Sanders. That's his #1 message, let's take it back from billionaires. And one of trumps top messages is that he's self funding and not necessarily beholden. That overall movement of unrest is much bigger than people think.

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You really really missed the point of occupy if you think there is a link between it and a billionaire buying his way to the white house.
02-26-2016 , 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
iron, I think this is the post you would want to use.
That one's good too. After the Christie moment I def spent a week doing my best 2016-era 538 impression and it turned out about equally well.

Though TBH if Cruz is 20% less of...whatever he is, it probably does work out for him.
02-26-2016 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
You really really missed the point of occupy if you think there is a link between it and a billionaire buying his way to the white house.
That's not what I said. Direct one for one link between what Sanders says and occupy. It's practically the same phrases about holding wall st billionaires/("1%"*) to task

(* yes billionaires are rarer than one percent, same rhetoric though)
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02-26-2016 , 06:09 AM
I did a Google search trump was apparently at the 1988 gop convention, if true then imo it's hard to say that he didn't just omit the word brokered.

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02-26-2016 , 06:17 AM
he knows there are presidential conventions, jeez.

He is back up to 71% in pw. So hit 69 and now rebounding.
02-26-2016 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by anatta
he knows there are presidential conventions, jeez.

He is back up to 71% in pw. So hit 69 and now rebounding.
The markets are a broken clock at the best of times. He'll most likely be in the high 80's on Tuesday despite nothing fundamentally changing between now and then.
02-26-2016 , 08:25 AM
The trump hate on the word convention is hilarious
02-26-2016 , 08:27 AM
Yeah, so many better things to hate him and his mouth breathing moron supporters for.
02-26-2016 , 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Yeah, so many better things to hate him and his mouth breathing moron supporters for.
No reason for hatred really. Since HRC is a lock, the TRUMP campaign will be nothing more than a historical footnote. I mean do you really hate people a lot that don't agree with you? I venture to state that a lot of TRUMP supporters would say they aren't racists. In your view they are though. There is no official standard that I know of. Maybe spend more time convincing them they are misguided fools is a better approach than hatred. I suggest that your hatred won't convince anyone that disagrees with you to embrace your point of view.
02-26-2016 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
No reason for hatred really. Since HRC is a lock, the TRUMP campaign will be nothing more than a historical footnote. I mean do you really hate people a lot that don't agree with you? I venture to state that a lot of TRUMP supporters would say they aren't racists. In your view they are though. There is no official standard that I know of. Maybe spend more time convincing them they are misguided fools is a better approach than hatred. I suggest that your hatred won't convince anyone that disagrees with you to embrace your point of view.
If someone is such a vile selfish prejudiced disgusting person they will never be embracing social progressivism.

In terms of trump I would beat him up then water board him and worse. I'd feed him feet first into a wood chipper. Or whatever trump thinks is an acceptable level of torture to used on dangerous bad guys who threaten the safety and security of others.
02-26-2016 , 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Because they give kids who live in horrible inner-city districts a chance, and they prevent young urban professionals from bolting for the suburbs as soon as their kids turn 5.
How many young urban professionals do you know with their kids in a charter school, suzzer?
02-26-2016 , 09:14 AM
i don't really get this attack on trump for his tax returns from the right (saw some article from lolNRO on it today and i think it will get more play in the next few days)

like he is probably exaggerating his net worth quite a bit or doesn't pay his "fair share" but considering the base absolutely hates the IRS and probably thinks no one has any business knowing how much someone else makes i don't expect this attack to resonate too much. this seems like desperate grasping for straws
02-26-2016 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
No reason for hatred really. Since HRC is a lock, the TRUMP campaign will be nothing more than a historical footnote. I mean do you really hate people a lot that don't agree with you? I venture to state that a lot of TRUMP supporters would say they aren't racists. In your view they are though. There is no official standard that I know of. Maybe spend more time convincing them they are misguided fools is a better approach than hatred. I suggest that your hatred won't convince anyone that disagrees with you to embrace your point of view.
http://whotv.com/2016/02/23/perry-ba...-trump-chants/


LOL what is this kumbaya bull****?

The idea that the "hatred" is on the side of people mocking Trump instead of Trump and his racist and stupid supporters? Yeah, man, story checks out.
02-26-2016 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
If someone is such a vile selfish prejudiced disgusting person they will never be embracing social progressivism.
So states Phil. Leaving aside your hate rhetoric in the above, the evidence is clear that people change their views on social views by taking a more "progressive" view. This has happened a lot over the last 100 years or so.

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In terms of trump I would beat him up then water board him and worse. I'd feed him feet first into a wood chipper. Or whatever trump thinks is an acceptable level of torture to used on dangerous bad guys who threaten the safety and security of others.
Such incredible violence and hatred in this rhetoric.
02-26-2016 , 09:25 AM
Hey, adios, why don't you try to convince racists that they are wrong instead of enthusiastically voting for them?
02-26-2016 , 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by adios
So states Phil. Leaving aside your hate rhetoric in the above, the evidence is clear that people change their views on social views by taking a more "progressive" view. This has happened a lot over the last 100 years or so.



Such incredible violence and hatred in this rhetoric.
Its 2016. Some people have moved on in the last century. Those people haven't. Why do they get another century while we pretend they are anything but pond scum?

I know right. I can't believe the likely republican nominee would call for such violence and hatred.
02-26-2016 , 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mutigers
i don't really get this attack on trump for his tax returns from the right (saw some article from lolNRO on it today and i think it will get more play in the next few days)

like he is probably exaggerating his net worth quite a bit or doesn't pay his "fair share" but considering the base absolutely hates the IRS and probably thinks no one has any business knowing how much someone else makes i don't expect this attack to resonate too much. this seems like desperate grasping for straws
NRO: Standing in the corner watching history, whimpering "stop"
02-26-2016 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Its 2016. Some people have moved on in the last century. Those people haven't. Why do they get another century while we pretend they are anything but pond scum?

I know right. I can't believe the likely republican nominee would call for such violence and hatred.
02-26-2016 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
You really really missed the point of occupy if you think there is a link between it and a billionaire buying his way to the white house.
what buying? he's barely spent any money...he hasn't had to
02-26-2016 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Hammerin Hank
Well I don't list coursework on my resume. WTF are you just out of college. That makes sense actually.

I believe I had 2 econ classes as an undergrad, but I have been around for a while so might have a little real world experience.

This should be good. Are you going to bust me up for being a free market capitalist. That should have been obvious a long time ago
One of the more annoying things Republicans do is act like everyone other than them is too thick to grasp the case for laissez-faire capitalism, which is actually incredibly basic. If you look back like a decade in this forum you will find both Fly and myself describing ourselves as libertarians. We haven't got dumber since then.

The presence of Nobel Prize winning economists who are liberals never seems to dissuade Republicans from assuming that everyone just can't understand their kiddie economics.
02-26-2016 , 10:12 AM
As someone who isn't a fan of Trump personally, I am starting to believe he will be our next President.

He seems practically a lock to have the nomination locked up shortly. Where is the single state that Rubio will win? Cruz.... after maybe Texas and maybe Oklahoma, there is no winning strategy for him. Kasich? A highly competent and experienced guy who is very successful in Ohio with no juice. He is Trump's obvious VP choice and assiduously stayed away from the bashing last night to keep his VP hopes viable.

Now to the electorate at large. Remember a perfect politician like Obama beat a tin eared Mormon by 3.9% last time around with other worldly turn out among his base. No way Clinton engenders that sort of loyalty/turn out.

There's an axiom in boxing that styles make fights and Trump is the nightmare stylistic match for Clinton. She can go on about her experience as Sec of State and Trump can counter, "How's that Arab spring working out?"

When she claims (correctly) he isn't a wonk on issues he just counters with "I'll bring the best people together and well do the best thing, not the liberal talking point."

Trump has positioned himself as the protector of the middle class. Illegal immigration is loved by the D's who import millions of poor potential voters and the R establishment loves the depressing of unskilled wages. Trump, by fighting immigration "protects" the interest of millions of unskilled workers in this way and they love him for it.

He already is running in the general as last night he emphasized the certain benefits to women of Planned Parenthood and pledging no one will die without government healthcare.

Then we get to Clinton's weaknesses, she's dishonest and can be bought. Trump will relentlessly hammer her infatuation chasing money from the Goldman's etc saying she is bought and paid for by the >1% and he can't be. He'll even say, I know she can be bought because I even bought her to the point she attended my wedding!

When she throws the vag card at him he say "Hey, I love the good things planned parenthood does," and will remind women as he already quite successful did that Ms Clinton enables rapists when it can benefit her. She's a faux feminist. And he won't be constrained in any way when he does this.

Plus Clinton sucks as a retail politician on the campaign trail and with her questionable health, she will wear down over the course of the campaign.

Get ready for President Trump.
02-26-2016 , 10:16 AM
Libertarian is on the Piaget development chart for 20yo males. It's not a phase of brilliant thinking, it's misanthropy.

I mean that in terms of evolutionary psychology too. It's like adolescent male elephants who leave the herd to hang out in their little all male groups to stomp their feet and talk about how dumb all the other elephants are.
02-26-2016 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Its 2016. Some Many people have moved on in the last century. Those people haven't. Why do they get another century while we pretend they are anything but pond scum?
You just can't help yourself can you regarding your hateful rhetoric. I mean there are rules against broad brush attacks and hateful rhetoric on this forum but when we have the moderator making blatant personal attacks well I guess the rules just don't apply sometimes.

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I know right. I can't believe the likely republican nominee would call for such violence and hatred.
You know what a lot of people say, two wrongs don't make a right. Your hate rhetoric is no better than TRUMP hate rhetoric.
02-26-2016 , 10:22 AM
If you're not a libertarian at 20 you have no aspergers
02-26-2016 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by adanthar
The markets are a broken clock at the best of times. He'll most likely be in the high 80's on Tuesday despite winning the Republican nomination outright.
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