Maybe if Obama could devise and articulate a plan the chance of military action would decrease with a corresponding decrease in oil prices.

Hey, if it's only cheaper for a couple years, they could still hire someone more cheaply for a couple of years and then fire them. That's a lot of good cheap labor.

Because when dealing with a state hell bent on making life for America difficult, sometimes the best plan is to wait and see?

Maybe sometimes negotiations require the other side to think you're actually serious about your scariest potential plans?

Do you also freak out every time the local sports star says he's bolting and the team says they don't care?

the single biggest factor the "government" has in affecting economic growth is raising/lowering interest rates and Obama has nothing to do with that.

As for catastrophic financial crisis I don't think it's doublethink to say that the president can have a large effect on preventing them/mitigating them when they happen but still has almost no knowable way of creating growth/jobs

Oh, a strawman. Makes sense too.

like whose plan for example

What is that 5%, fuel tax? If you can use that then i can use the example of him firing everyone in the federal government to offset that 5% tax break and all other savings can be kicked back to tax payers. That would have a HUGE effect on the economy.

Lets not even get started on him starting a war with North Korea using the war powers act tomorrow. Whooo that will effect the American economy something fierce.

Then there are the little things in life, such as a new 90% tax rate on everyone earning over 300k a year. The mere mention of it let alone doing so (which through logic i am allowed to use if you can use the 5% fuel tax) would be pretty huge.

Ooh, here is a fun one, he can instigate martial law for public safety, perhaps centred around Korea and Chinatown areas of LA after he starts bombing North Korea.

Yeah Ikes, the president has way more power to effect the gas prices than the US economy

Supply *has* been increasing during the Obama administration, but nice try.

You would make a terrible negotiator lou.

The plan right now is to go with economic sanctions whilst there are secret negotiations via backchannels. There is nothing more he can say beyond "we wont rush headlong to war as it is a last resort, but it IS a resort if required". Any more detail just kills potential outcomes that could be achieved.

I for one am shocked ikes would be drawn to defend (but not really, he just thinks it's funny, but really, but not really) someone like Boa and his ridiculous arguments by deflecting/redirecting the issue into a nitty semantic trollfest.

Really just unlikely scenario here.

And for an added bonus supply is increasing *because* the prices are so high allowing non-traditional methods of production like however they turn ****ty shale sands into oil which wasnt economically viable just a few years ago.

I mean for all he was wrong about Jiggs wasnt wrong that the days of cheap fuel is gone.

Like Romney's plan, which is exactly like Obama's plan, but will totally work better.

His words have increased the markets chances of an Israel go it alone approach which is the worst case scenario for oil. Is there any doubt that if Obama had magically solved the Iran Nuke situation we would have lower oil prices? Do you still want to go with "Obama has had no recent impact on oil prices?"

I'm still not even clear what you think is the good plan that Obama should have articulated. Like, if Israel really wants to go it alone, we can't really stop them. Obama told them not to. I guess we should immediately co-bomb Iran with Israel?

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If there is an effect it is really small.

Yes, Gas prices doubling under Obama is just a ridiculous argument. Who cares if its true, its still just ridiculous. We must defend Obama at all costs, lest some people begin to realize how bad a job he is doing.

Lol at that pony.

I don't even see how seeming undecided and unsure is ever a good play. He has increased the chances that Israel will act alone and has emboldened Iran. How is this positive?

Lol...but seriously after years of hearing about how obama is going to destroy america all we have to complain about now is gas being too high? Even though pretty much everybody knew that gas prices would increase if the economy improved.

what about the stock market then?

I prefer to play Hold'em with my hole cards face up.

Yeah, I'm sure Israel has the exact same level of information on what Obama's plans are that you do.

Uncertainty isnt as bad as the logical conclusion of your post which is "do what we say immediately or we start bombing you". That is a WAY worse thing for the market to hear.

Obama has acted entirely correctly because there is nothing else he can do. Being "undecided" is a really really good message to send when it comes to bombing nuclear facilities in a strategically placed hostile nation right at the heart of the middle east. I put "undecided" in quotes because in reality he is just staying on the fence while all the work is being done behind the scenes by diplomats and negotiators exactly as it should happen.

Also i have zero clue what Obama is meant to do to stop Israel from acting alone. In fact i think telling them they may have to seems exactly the right way to stop them from doing so.

I think a more apt analogy is playing hold em where the number of cards to be played is indeterminate. Anyway if y'all are still going with Obama has done nothing recently we should start a "obama no debate thread" cause we have reached the RP level of delusion.