I guess we will never know if we would have spiraled into a depression or wether some programs (cash for clunkers, green energy spending..) may have provided a very short term boost that is now gone while adding almost a trillion to to our long term deficit problem, that will be a drag on the economy for years to come.

On the other side we just might find out if we do not spend another 450 billion if we will be headed for a recession.

What kind of odds will you guys give me that whatever program casey is talking about, assuming it exists, is actually part of Obamacare?

Hey great news, there's a plan in CA for anyone between 25-64 who has a hard time getting private insurance do to a pre-existing condition: http://finder.healthcare.gov/more_in...ected&state=CA

It's called the Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP) and it's open for business: http://www.pcip.ca.gov/Home/default.aspx

Oh yeah, it's part of the 2010 Affordable Care Act (aka Obamacare).

Well damn, I thought it sounded like a good idea. But now I realize it's the devil.

suzzer you're ruining my fun

lol, I didn't even see your post before posting mine. Seriously LMAO

I'm quite sure the republicans are fine with tanking the economy for the next year.

I will bet you my 401k that you could poll 100 random republicans and ask them if they would support the PCIP plan as being something good and useful without telling them it is part of Obamacare and 80% or better would support it.

If you told those same people about the plan and added it was part of Obamacare, that number would be about 5%.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...op-pledge-aca/

I think for the TEA party types you are correct that all government spending is bad. The more moderate republicans are just vary wary of this President's spending. The stimulus didn't do what Obama stated it would do (lower unemployment to less than 8 percent) coupled with specifics like Solyndra it is easy to see why they are wary.

Yes, this is the first time a politician has ever over-promised to get a big piece of legislation through congress. Also on something that's perfectly easy to predict like where the unemployment rate will be in 2 years.

Also I'm pretty sure the prediction was dependent on a bunch of assumptions, not all of which came to pass. It still doesn't mean they didn't have the best odds of being right. A poker player should get that.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I think we've had enough of the misunderstanding of ole W, he was just having a The Who flashback

Well, we now have final, official confirmation that It won't be Palin.

I, for one, am shocked, SHOCKED at this news.

Sadly, via the link, I AM shocked to find out Steve Jobs is dead.

Political satirists everywhere are disappointed.

Governor Gary Johnson, the candidate with the best economic and fiscal record, is being excluded from the debate, even though the last time he was included in the polls he outpolled two of the current invitees. Their solution? Just exclude him from future polls so they don't have to invite him to future debates.

Whether you're a Governor Johnson fan or not, this is an injustice. The theme of the next debate is the economy. The American people deserve to hear from him, and to hear his unique plan for addressing the economy and fiscal problems of the nation.

Please contact the debate organizers and ask them to include Governor Gary Johnson:

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He should threaten to run 3rd party.

Im sure they will be scared

If Mittens is president, it almost certainly means that the GOP will also control the House and the Senate. Do you really think Mitt will be vetoing the inevitable legislation to repeal UHC?

If the Dems had control of Congress, I don't think Mitt would be so awful, mostly because I don't think he has any true core principals and he'd be a willing negotiator. But for the same reasons, I don't doubt he'd completely cave to the right-wingers in his party.

Deregulate the entire medical industry and free it up and I'm fairly sure there would be companies specialized in taking your mom and similar cases and turn a nice profit doing so.

Was she not able to get any insurance at all or was it just very expensive, if so what amounts are we talking about?

Yes, the only thing stopping companies from offering affordable insurance to high-risk people are the government regulations.... Damn Government, always stopping Insurance companies from doing charitable things.

FYP

Hi Gary.

She could have gone from laughing stock to almost respectable in my eyes if she'd just said she's unelectable.

+1. clowntable, how do you delude yourself so well?