Why should anyone be upset?

You're insistence on focusing great analysis on one part of the problem in discussions while ignoring the rest of the problem and apologising for Fly in the process (that was gratuitous btw) is indicative of the problem in discussions.

of course they can, it's a good question as people keep calling stuff racist. Still looking forward to wookies answer.

What if someone uses the n word? Racist then? But get this...they are using it in history class to describe what people called black people.

Boom gotcha suckers!

Definition is pretty easy. A law which, in whole or in part, is designed to discriminate against minorities or that is, in practice, discriminatory against minorities. Poll tax was designed to discriminate against minorities. Voter ID laws are designed, in part, to reduce the black vote. Drug laws, in practice, are pretty clearly discriminatory against minorities given usage, incarceration, and arrest rates.

To rebut arguments, because we've seen them all a bunch before, yes the justice system as a whole is still a bit racist so you probably will be able to find some other laws that fit this category. Yes, poverty matters to outcome as well and we should work at finding ways out of poverty for people of all races, but that doesn't eliminate the obvious racism. Yes, the country is a lot less racist than it was 50 or 100 years ago.

This **** isn't hard and doesn't take 1400 posts to figure out if you aren't trying to find the most socially acceptable way to tell those lazy blacks to pull up those bootstraps without explicitly saying so or want to play raised by wolves because you are still sad your math tutor left

***** why you babysittin only two or three shots? I'ma show ya how to turn it up a notch...

I feel like I'm getting trolled, but I make lemonade outta them there lemons...

In practice, I'd say yeah probably the user is at least a little racist, but semantically it's not an automatic thing. Race-baiting used to mean something specific in regards to political campaigns, but now that the definition is so broad the term in pointless.

It's more precise to say what's actually meant, because oddly enough the point of saying "race bait(er)" is to use the term AS BAIT, by baiting the type of people who respond to the term itself.

"What?!? That guy is a race baiter(whatever that means)? Gawdammit I hate me a race baiter!"

Um...

FOREVER UNCLEAN (also: discourse mockery)

What is the rest of the problem? Maybe I can address it.

I thought I was addressing the biggest problem, that this thread was never meant to be an actual discussion.

It seems like your brain turns off at the mention of Fly, nonetheless...

The whole point of that was Fly did nothing wrong, and if we're talking apologies, Jib ought to roll one out for TAINTING HENCEFORTH THE FORUM EVERMORE.

Said tainting being gratuitous.

Fly has one of the sharpest, if not the sharpest, minds on here so I don't really know else to respond to your issue.


Notice I put "can't" in quotes in that post.

Of course it's a good question and THAT'S EXACTLY MY POINT!

This. I mean, goddamn, at this point I miss old school racists.

Definitely. Haters hate him for calling their mistakes, ignorance, and bs.

How the problem is handled both when it is and isn't in fact the problem you think it is.

You seem to have a thing for Fly.

Is it a rant? is it trash? no it's superfly!

The blue crayon doesn't seem far off.

There is no way Jib is capable of that. The way the forum handles discussions is capable of doing that but it could change so it can't be the battle of evermore. Maybe the hysteria is part of the problem?

It's a very bad point, it can still be asked and discussed easily. Even by Jib.

Many ways are easy but not everyone agrees of course.

Still thanks for finally doing what was so easy. Maybe better before all the whining, maybe not.

which type of people? You do intentions which is good, apply it to others, even zigzag.

Maybe it would be better if they played it with a straight bait. (smiley face for the those who need it)

some people just think he's wrong if not in his position definitely in his approach, like I'm not really interested in getting into a discussion about fly with other people but whatever he hopes to achieve, however serious he is regarding his beliefs on these topics his method is ****.

Happy Robert E Lee Day people in Florida, Alabama, Arkansas, and Mississippi! Just here celebrating our heritage. Nothing racist about celebrating heritage.

I wouldn't troll you.

The term race baiter is used commonly on the news and radio, and in every context I've heard it's meant to criticize someone whom the speaker believes is "crying wolf" and "playing the race card" for political attention or personal gain. Considering the widely differing understanding and opinions of what constitutes racism, how divisive the issue is, and how easily it can be misapplied, it's no surprise that such a criticism would develop.

I hear it everywhere, not just Fox news. I recently heard Charlie Brennan, a well respected and generally left-leaning radio broadcaster on KMOX, use it as a critique in an interview with a black politician. The Boondocks cartoon on comedy central makes fun of both sides for corruption and hypocrisy in politics, often pointing out just this sort of behavior.

It seems like you and others think the term belongs in the same category as the n-word, but what's really the point of that?

Certainly not in the same category of the n word but race baiter was generated with the underlying idea that white and black outside agitators are "baiting" naive blacks with this talk about racism in order to rile them up.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/20...ssissippi.html

People can have good faith disagreements about race, but the term race baiter is inexorably tied up to a Conservative loathing that blacks might or should vote by what a politician can do for them instead of an allegiance to a mythical ideology, be it white rule or Conservative ideology, or be riled about perceived racial injustices.

Jibs and duffee are a problem, but they are not the only ones.

The term "race baiter" is inherently racist because in order for someone to be a successful race baiter, they would need black people to be incapable of rationally assessing things and who instead get duped time and time again by charlatans.* If you believe the people who use the term, Al Sharpton has tricked black people over and over and over again despite the fact that rational people know he's lying to them every time, and black people are incapable of detecting these lies or ever learning their lesson.* This inability to discern justice and dismiss agitative liars is a trait unique to black people.* No one calls the assorted Fox pundits who rallied white people to support Cliven Bundy race baiters.* It's a term reserved for black activists and used to talk down to the black rabble who don't know better.* I mean, I guess we can assess on a case by case basis whether or not Al Sharpton's advocacy for black rights happens to be misguided _this_ time, but here's the thing: he gets called a race baiter _every_ time, and _every_ black protest, no matter who is leading it, is obviously being led by some profiteering clown who's yet again pulling a fast one on the easily duped.

Sorry, the asterisks in that post are an artifact

I agree it can be insulting to be told you are being dishonest, or that you've been duped by someone who is dishonest, in the second case because it can be thought of as a slight on your intelligence. But that doesn't say anything about whether or not it's true. Can you not think of any instance at all where someone has incorrectly played the race card? This never happens?

1)If nobody is allowed to call out someone for crying wolf because it is "racist to do so", that's pretty absurd.

2)Even if it is insulting to people, the criticism isn't directed at just one race, but anyone innapropriately playing the race card, and the "race baiter" is trying to influence more than just one race, so anyone, white, black, etc. who may be "duped" might be insulted. So even if it is taken as an insult, how is it targeting one race?

3) I would agree that the term is probably over used, but it's sort of ironic because the term itself is describing the term racism being overused. So as long as there are people who believe the term racism is abused in politics, so will there be people who abuse the term race baiting. POLITICS!!

Yeah Wookie, it's not racist if black people really are easily-duped rubes. Are you telling me no black person has ever been fooled by anything ever?

That doesn't follow at all from what I said. Btw, generally my response to people who suspect race baiting is to just tell them to step back and look at the big picture. In some cases they're probably wrong, and in others they may be right, but if they step back and see how many people agree with the "race baiter," then they should recognize there is a problem to be solved. In otherwords, don't just ignore them because you think they're full of ****, but try to understand what they're mad about and work with them toward a solution that satisfies everyone.

Why the **** would I want to work towards a solution that satisfies racists?

P.S. Seriously? We all know what you want: fewer people complaining about racism. That's the solution you think will satisfy everyone, you'll admit that in theory racism is bad, in exchange other people will concede that there is no specific racism currently worth complaining about, Mike Brown was a thug who got what's coming to him, the Confederacy was misunderstood, blah blah blah.

Don't pretend you're some neutral third party!

You don't think politicians try to take advantage of any issue they can by duping the people most effected? Black people are no different to any other people when it comes to being duped by politicians are they?

lol, we already understand what racist *******s are mad about. That **** isn't complicated.

What are you mad about?

What solution do you propose?