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01-21-2015 , 10:03 PM

#476

Gamblor

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Originally Posted by biceps

On Sunday Israeli Defense Forces attacked Hezbollah and Iranian IRCG's army inside Syria. Americans are attacking Isil from the air and are at the same time arming Islamic front and the FSA. In the north of Syria battles are being fought between Kurdish fraction YPG and Syrian Army. Goat-****ers are attacking Kurds, FSA, Al Nusra and the Syrian army. Al Nusra is fighting with the Syrian army and the FSA but with ISIL they're colaborating AND fighting. Hezbollah and the Syrian army are fighting against Al Qaeda, Al Nusra, ISIL, the Islamic Front and the FSA. Turkey supports goat-****ers fighting against the Kurds. Israel supports goat-****ers fighting against Hezbollah and the Syrian army, while America supports the FSA and Islamic front fighting against Assad. The Russians and Iranians are funding and arming the SAA. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are funding and arming everyone but Assad. This **** has not yet been witnessed in history of mankind. There were Biafra, Somalia, Bosnia, Lebanon... where almost everyone tried to slaughter everyone, but this today in Syria is a **** up beyond Biblical proportions. Everything else we've witnessed until now looks like a kindergarten.

Welcome to the Middle East. Enjoy your stay. (Don't forget, Israel is the problem)

01-22-2015 , 07:37 PM

#477

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So apparently ISIL is losing in every front.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/isis-s...l?soc_src=copy

02-14-2015 , 02:15 PM

#478

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We should send over gramdmothers to shame and berate ISIS imo.

The granny who stood up to ISIS: Elderly woman filmed confronting militants and branding them 'devils' before quoting verses in the Koran that forbid slaughter

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The video begins with the elderly woman walking up to the militants car and berate them for being members of the barbaric terrorist organisation.

Repeatedly urging them to 'turn back to God' she tells the fighters that ISIS is cursed and that neither they nor Bashar al-Assad's Syrian regime will emerge from the bloodshed victorious.

The men initially respond to her berating them by asking her what has prompted her attack. They then try to justify their actions by telling her of their recent prayer sessions.

The woman, who wears traditional Arabian clothing, ignores the men and continues her attack, swearing at them at insisting that ISIS' brutality is 'making us go backwards'.

Becoming increasingly frustrated, the men change their tone and begin telling the woman they are busy and she should go away. They then resort to mockery when she begins reciting verses from the Koran that warn against fighting and slaughter when it is possible to make peace.

02-16-2015 , 11:22 AM

#479

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What ISIS wants

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/...-wants/384980/

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In reviewing Mein Kampf in March 1940, George Orwell confessed that he had “never been able to dislike Hitler”; something about the man projected an underdog quality, even when his goals were cowardly or loathsome. “If he were killing a mouse he would know how to make it seem like a dragon.” The Islamic State’s partisans have much the same allure. They believe that they are personally involved in struggles beyond their own lives, and that merely to be swept up in the drama, on the side of righteousness, is a privilege and a pleasure—especially when it is also a burden.

Fascism, Orwell continued, is

psychologically far sounder than any hedonistic conception of life … Whereas Socialism, and even capitalism in a more grudging way, have said to people “I offer you a good time,” Hitler has said to them, “I offer you struggle, danger, and death,” and as a result a whole nation flings itself at his feet … We ought not to underrate its emotional appeal.

Nor, in the case of the Islamic State, its religious or intellectual appeal. That the Islamic State holds the imminent fulfillment of prophecy as a matter of dogma at least tells us the mettle of our opponent. It is ready to cheer its own near-obliteration, and to remain confident, even when surrounded, that it will receive divine succor if it stays true to the Prophetic model. Ideological tools may convince some potential converts that the group’s message is false, and military tools can limit its horrors. But for an organization as impervious to persuasion as the Islamic State, few measures short of these will matter, and the war may be a long one, even if it doesn’t last until the end of time.

02-16-2015 , 03:35 PM

#480

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That was a great read.

02-16-2015 , 04:47 PM

#481

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

That was a great read.

this

thx for posting Hue.

02-17-2015 , 12:59 AM

#482

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Glad to see the old human intel working

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The German rapper who became a grisly poster boy for ISIS fell for the oldest trick in the book, according to a report that said the woman "Deso Dogg" thought was his wife was an FBI spy.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02...y-says-report/

02-17-2015 , 06:05 PM

#483

Howard Beale

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Here's an interview w/ Graeme Wood for those that find it very hard to read a long and detailed article while playing play money spin & go's:

02-17-2015 , 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Glad to see the old human intel working

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02...y-says-report/

Great article. Thanks.

02-17-2015 , 08:07 PM

#485

ALLTheCookies

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Bibi going full Ebola

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Speaking Hebrew, the bearded Islamic State fighter in the passenger seat asks the Israeli driver, "How do we get to Jerusalem, bro?"

The man answers, "Take a left."

The video then cuts to a shot of a black background, to which digital bullet holes and the slogan, "The left will give in to terror" is added. In the next shot, the militants are seen firing gunshots into the air and driving around a bend as the advertisement ends.

02-17-2015 , 08:24 PM

#486

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Originally Posted by problemeliminator

So apparently ISIL is losing in every front.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/isis-s...l?soc_src=copy

chiefsplanet is pretty sure they're taking over the world due to Obama's indifference

02-17-2015 , 08:30 PM

#487

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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

Bibi going full Ebola

Perhaps you can help us: how does this ad compare to the typical message and style of other candidates' campaign ads in this election?

Surely you'd want to understand that before arguing that Bibi is particularly "Ebola".

02-17-2015 , 09:37 PM

#488

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One of those "I"'s in ISIL stand for Israel?

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02-17-2015 , 09:41 PM

#489

ALLTheCookies

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gamblor

Pass

02-17-2015 , 09:42 PM

#490

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Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

Bibi going full Ebola

Solid Troll of the Week entry.

02-18-2015 , 07:35 AM

#491

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These morons just might have enough money and be crazy enough to detonate a nuke on somebody.

02-19-2015 , 01:24 PM

#492

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An alternative way of framing ISIS

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It’s important, even critical, to understand how ISIS’s religious beliefs inform its actions, particularly its apocalyptic elements, which again help distinguish it from mainstream religiosity. Millenarian sects may (or may not) rely on religious texts as importance sources, but their defining quality, and what makes them dangerous, is an unshakeable belief that history is coming to an end.

Millenarian beliefs are often wedded to identity-based extremism through the narrative device of a chosen group that will triumph in an apocalyptic war or survive an apocalyptic disaster. Again, the traits of these groups are remarkably consistent across a variety of belief structures. Their commonality is their Millenarianism, not the theological background from which those End Times beliefs are derived.

To understand and counter ISIS’s threat and appeal, frame it properly. Identity-based extremism and millenarian apocalyptic cults provide a far more useful framework for understanding ISIS than Islam does.

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order...7Pji6M.twitter

02-19-2015 , 03:28 PM

#493

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

An alternative way of framing ISIS

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order...7Pji6M.twitter

It's an interesting read, but keep in mind the Brookings Insirute is funded to the tune of $15Mil annually by the government of Qatar.

02-19-2015 , 10:20 PM

#494

seattlelou

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We are planning a sneak attack on Mosul in the April/May timeframe. What a ****ing clown show.

02-20-2015 , 03:02 AM

#495

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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

An alternative way of framing ISIS

http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/order...7Pji6M.twitter

If ISIS is truly to be understood as a mix of Millenarianism and Islam, that makes ISIS an awfully Islamic problem.

02-20-2015 , 03:56 AM

#496

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Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

chiefsplanet is pretty sure they're taking over the world due to Obama's indifference

Hi Suzzer,

It will be decided by historians when WW3 started, but it has started.

You can sarcastically mention bHo, but history has never, and will never forget
Neville Chamberlain.

We are living in bad times my acquaintance, and I hope your up to the task.

02-20-2015 , 05:27 AM

#497

hoponpop

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Why doesn't Obama want to acknowledge that these terrorists are religiously motivated?

02-20-2015 , 09:21 AM

#498

Huehuecoyotl

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I'm just asking questions!

02-20-2015 , 11:28 AM

#499

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Originally Posted by hoponpop

Why doesn't Obama want to acknowledge that these terrorists are religiously motivated?

Because attacking the religion of Islam alienates the allies we need.

It's more useful to get the more moderate Muslims, even if they are the minority, to step up and say "it's time to clean house."

02-20-2015 , 12:04 PM

#500

hoponpop

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Except it's a simple fact that they are religiously motivated. Seems to me that understanding what motivates your enemy is pretty important. Acknowledging their religiously motivated doesn't insult islam any more than acknowledging that the westboro baptist church is religiously motivated insults christianity.

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