Vietnam War Mythology
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You posting about it.
And because of that illiteracy thing, all this time you were walking into this:
Lembcke is himself a Vietnam vet! Please stop doubting or attacking the credibility of our troops, rara!
I remember the 2004 RNC.
I remember Trump, right now, currently feuding with a war widow.
Seriously this **** is painfully insincere.
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There is a reason vets don't open up and talk about their experiences as I said before it's on full display in this thread.
10-24-2017
, 08:37 AM
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Yeah, it is. Here's my evidence for that:
You posting about it.
And because of that illiteracy thing, all this time you were walking into this:
Lembcke is himself a Vietnam vet! Please stop doubting or attacking the credibility of our troops, rara!
I remember the 2004 RNC.
I remember Trump, right now, currently feuding with a war widow.
Seriously this **** is painfully insincere.
P.S.
Uh, they are incredibly open about their experiences. Very open after seeing Rambo. Much less open at the time this **** allegedly happened, though.
You posting about it.
And because of that illiteracy thing, all this time you were walking into this:
Lembcke is himself a Vietnam vet! Please stop doubting or attacking the credibility of our troops, rara!
I remember the 2004 RNC.
I remember Trump, right now, currently feuding with a war widow.
Seriously this **** is painfully insincere.
P.S.
Uh, they are incredibly open about their experiences. Very open after seeing Rambo. Much less open at the time this **** allegedly happened, though.
I said it before and I'll say it again when I was walking on the side of the road with a group of other sailors in Ct. a passing car drove by a threw trash at us, this was in '80. So if Viet Nam vets say that they had things similar to them happen then I'm going to tend to believe that it did.
Last edited by raradevils; 10-24-2017 at 08:44 AM.
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I have a slightly different take, which is that since the whole "the troops need our undying respect and constant adulation" is basically just a Vietnam Era faux norm/standard which emerged to take down the left, there's hardly ever any mileage for Democrats to gain by deploying it themselves. The criticism and narrative was always pretense, always overstated, always contrived to basically just be a criticism of the left, nothing more. There was never really a standard or principle you can adhere to since the criticism was just ad hoc to beat the left over the head with. It was mostly a right-wing fantasy that the troops came home and hippies and leftists and ungrateful Democrats spit all over them, burned the flag, and dishonored the sacrifice. Democrats would swear up and down they didn't, and Republicans would then just say Well Actually the Real Crime was how Democrats like LBJ lied and killed all the American boys even though we knew we could never win. Then Democrats got blamed for quitting, stabbing everyone in the back and left POWs to rot and die. We did 30 years of investigations, discovered that never happened, the whole POW/MIA stuff were scams but whatever, the left did all of it actually. On and on it goes.
It's like that whole "Romney will NEVER recover from RomneyCare" type punditry, which assumes 99% of right-wingers had a ****ing clue about health care policy. They don't, and the unpopularity of ObamaCare and Common Core and a litany of other things are just contrivances and narratives divorced from facts. The left bothers conservative people for all the predictable reasons (too much concern for the poor, too many civil rights afforded to black people, too much questioning of American foreign policy) and the criticisms and standards are invented and crafted on an as-needed basis as the situation demands.
Democrats are never, ever going to win playing Who Loves the Soldiers More since there was never a principle there to violate, just some ad hoc and made-up rules that right-wingers invent on the spot. You can't win those kinds of battles where your critics make all the rules and amend them as needed, and there's no point in trying. The standard isn't "be sensitive to war widows" but "let their conversations with the President be private and its unfair politicizing to talk about them" and the rules will be re-written in the next 48 hours to reflect that.
It's like that whole "Romney will NEVER recover from RomneyCare" type punditry, which assumes 99% of right-wingers had a ****ing clue about health care policy. They don't, and the unpopularity of ObamaCare and Common Core and a litany of other things are just contrivances and narratives divorced from facts. The left bothers conservative people for all the predictable reasons (too much concern for the poor, too many civil rights afforded to black people, too much questioning of American foreign policy) and the criticisms and standards are invented and crafted on an as-needed basis as the situation demands.
Democrats are never, ever going to win playing Who Loves the Soldiers More since there was never a principle there to violate, just some ad hoc and made-up rules that right-wingers invent on the spot. You can't win those kinds of battles where your critics make all the rules and amend them as needed, and there's no point in trying. The standard isn't "be sensitive to war widows" but "let their conversations with the President be private and its unfair politicizing to talk about them" and the rules will be re-written in the next 48 hours to reflect that.
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So was the whole POW/MIA "you left our boys behind!" narratives. We spent like millions of dollars and decades investigating anyway.
The right is correct LBJ lied consistently about Vietnam though so I'm not saying Democrats were blameless in Vietnam. Different point. Only that genuflecting to the troops and these transparently uber nationalist sentiment stuff are rules manufactured by right-wingers and ~all of the violations are fantasy of right-wingers and therefore the left will spin themselves into circles trying to keep up and simply lose no matter what because the whole thing is right-wing kayfabe and they do all the booking.
I was naive once about this too, but 2004 drove this home so hard when the draft dodging coke addict became the Super Patriot and the guy with a chest full of medals became a degenerate lying traitor. Since then these stories play out basically the exact same way, always. Democrats try so, so hard to show their super patriot bonafides and/or lambast right-winger politicians for transgressions against what-they-think-are-shared-patriotic-norms only to find out that Democrats Did the Bad Thing Against America, always.
The right is correct LBJ lied consistently about Vietnam though so I'm not saying Democrats were blameless in Vietnam. Different point. Only that genuflecting to the troops and these transparently uber nationalist sentiment stuff are rules manufactured by right-wingers and ~all of the violations are fantasy of right-wingers and therefore the left will spin themselves into circles trying to keep up and simply lose no matter what because the whole thing is right-wing kayfabe and they do all the booking.
I was naive once about this too, but 2004 drove this home so hard when the draft dodging coke addict became the Super Patriot and the guy with a chest full of medals became a degenerate lying traitor. Since then these stories play out basically the exact same way, always. Democrats try so, so hard to show their super patriot bonafides and/or lambast right-winger politicians for transgressions against what-they-think-are-shared-patriotic-norms only to find out that Democrats Did the Bad Thing Against America, always.
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