So Trump has stopped his zero tolerance policy at least until they can get the capacity up to jail everyone. Basically, we haven't built the internment camps yet and the admin has finally learned not to put the cart of cruelty before the horse.

Oh man, I remember when a hospital administrator needed to butt out telling kids to eat healthy. Now we're sending a former model on a fact finding mission to the border.

Except that Obama, while reluctantly following the law and using prosecutorial discretion to be lenient, was actively trying to change it.

The best policy is comprehensive immigration reform, which both Bush and Obama wanted and were blocked by the conservatives in the House. 60% of the country seems to want relatively lax immigration and 40% seems to think any immigration will sap our precious bodily fluids.

Dvault is imposing too much order onto irrational policies. The right is going to ebb hard over the next 10 years. It may come back some the next 10, but we're at least on the same trajectory that brought voting rights and basic civil rights.

The thing the right is pushing, which they will not get at all, is "merit-based" immigration. That's what Miller has been shooting for all along.

Funny thing is, Miller's great grampa couldn't pass the citizenship test but two generations later the family is rich and three generations later his offspring is a "leading policy intellectual" in the WH. I'd take one generation of a menial worker with family ties that leads to 10 generations of "real" Americans. Call it "start-up costs" (though, it's not actually cost; cars don't wash themselves). Again, these right-wingers view their policies through a 5-10 year window. Hell, we're already 50 years since Nixon was elected. Murica is a long game.

Ok, what is "comprehensive immigration reform"? It sounds awfully vague. Some "comprehensive immigration reform" could be just as cruel as Trump's actions.

There have been a couple of leopards eating faces articles posted here about some deplorable farmer/warehouse manager getting upset because his laborers got deported. We all enjoy the schadenfreude, but let’s remember that having a workforce in constant fear of ICE raids is a feature not a bug and in the long run this helps the deplorable farm owner.

they already make it extremely hard to legally immigrate. thats why so many ppl are "illegal". they have no choice. its the only way.

I could have used scare quotes, as it is vague. It's basically anything better than what we have now. I don't know all the exact legislative details of the bills that have been drafted and canned (a lot of the work has been in not voting on immigration bills because it's a political third rail). Personally, I'd like to see a pathway for citizenship for just about anyone who makes it into the country, more seasonal workers, broad-minded asylum, and likely humane deportation for some.

Some of the lines you quoted were from Take the Money and Run.

So we're up to 4 songs now - Fly Like an Eagle, Joker, Rockin' Me and Take the Money and Run.

I also mentioned Jungle Love.

We would also accept Swingtown and Jet Airliner from the 70s greatest hits album.

Everything else except 1969's Space Cowboy and the 80s hit Abracadabra is never played on the radio and can be dismissed.

I'm sure there are some deep thinkers somewhere on the right looking a generation or more into the future, but I think you're describing what a non-sentient system, the combined output of many differently motivated inputs, is moving towards more than any individuals. The Lee Atwaters of these policies are very simply creating enemies to draw in GOP voters and that's as deep as they get. The Stephen Millers are sadistic and racist and just don't want to see or hear Latinos.

I don't think the actual powers that be are unaware that they functionally have a caste system already based on wealthy people getting what they want. (See the Princeton Oligharchy study) This system is quite dependable regardless of the tiny percentage of the population it favors. The fact that the GOP and Dems have flipped on civil rights and immigration in the past was not just random and wasn't based on the GOP suddenly realizing they were racist. It was the result of the changing interests of the wealthy and strategies to assemble voting groups.

Illegal immigrants working horrific jobs on farms were afraid of deportation long before ICE even existed. I doubt they've changed their behavior in any way.

It's the illegal immigrants who moved to America, integrated and have families to support that are ****ting themselves in fear of ICE.

I grant that Abracadabra is terrible

Except liking a few lyrics != liking the song. Jet Airliner isn't bad though. So that's 3.

You youngsters who grew up in the post 9/11 police state might not realize this, but the borders were virtually open for about half my life. Most of the time you could go in or out of Mexico or Canada with just a waive. They were more concerned with bringing in fruit with agricultural pests than people.

wow, first lady malaria trump bravely stands up to the president while visiting a baby jail in front of cameras. eviscerating the staff for being complicit in kidnapping children: “you guys are doing a great job. thank you for your hard work”

Yeah was not a big deal for a long time. Used to go to Matamaros and Tijuana all the time and it was nothing. Protecting the food supply was the primary goal.

I can’t even imagine the process now for my Hispanic and middle eastern friends who used to easily migrate back and forth.

Why you gotta hate instead of be best?



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Towns in Arizona and New Mexico had basically a cow gate that anyone could open and close. Residents of both countries came and went.

I've run into a few of those in my travels too. Unofficial borders that locals use to conduct commerce - but I wouldn't be able to legally cross at.

I am here see cage people

Of course she goes only AFTER the damage has been done and "cleaned up" by her husband. She'll see a spotless prison and think it's a wonderful thing.

Nothing like using the suffering of children to boost your approval rating. She's definitely more deplorable than she lets on, mostly because she doesn't do anything.

Afaik still 2300 kids. I bet the separations will continue to some extent. These are practically black sites.

Melania should adopt and bring a kid home to the white house.

Daily Mail so fwiw

subtle