i mean if it came down to hammond vs mogg vs gove for example then it surely cant be a hard sell

he's just got to point out the fact that leader mogg/leader gove equals 100+ current tory MPs on the dole in the near future

Look three posts up

I don't think there's a human being alive that understands the point you're trying to make, including you.

I have literally no idea what you're getting out of posting on this forum.

Eh, if you think that is how it looks to everyone, then you are infinity+1 miles away from being able to extrapolate perspectives different than your own.

It might look like that to you, and that is pretty much a singular perspective.

^This is how people who are super desperate to sound smart post.

Goodbye stranger

Bye GBV.

The irony of the irony is that you are the one who looks desperate, pathetic and mad.

Anyway enjoy your self destructive bile posting while you can.

It's just because he's not a Brexitard, I would imagine. We're in the middle of a mass-hysterical epidemic where people think that a really stupid idea, which a minority of swivel-eyed wonks and a couple of evil offshore press barons conned the stupider half of the electorate to vote for, is somehow an immutable force of nature.

SNP caught lying through their teeth again

To quote their website: "The Scottish Government has put in place a ban on fracking in Scotland - meaning fracking cannot and will not take place in Scotland.”

And a ministers speech (Humza Yousaf at their conference "And for the benefit of Scottish Labour who are still greeting* about our ban on fracking, bizarrely claiming it isn't a ban - it is"

* translation - Crying

And from today's court case where the ban is being challenged by Ineos the Scottish Governments own lawyer: "The concept of an effective ban is a gloss. It is the language of a press statement. What they have done is to announce a preferred position on the issue. They have not yet adopted a position."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44038476

That old dog needs putting down now. It's a useless drain on time and resource.

Something we agree on.

You have to admit (even if you're seething with rage) that there's a certain irony about the same group of blowhard tories that blocked HoL reform only six years ago being frustrated by it doing the exact job they kept it there to do.

yeah, that is funny.

On that note:

An elected house of lords almost certain to be taking the same rational direction.

lol 'rational' - but ignoring that grandstanding word....Elected by whom?

And if they were capable of being voted out of office as well as in, would you argue the same?

Watching Boris trying desperately to get fired in some way that doesn't make him look like the gibbering fool he is is pretty great. He want to take a noble stand for queen and country but May refuses to fire him.

Pretty incredible



Looking at the data behind it, 86% of those who voted Conservative in 2017 believe May would make the best PM but only 56% of those who voted Labout in 2017 believe Corbyn would make the best PM.

Yes, Corbyn is literally third in a two-horse race, ranking far behind Theresa May and 'Don't Know'.

And, unfortunately, while a small majority of 2017 Labour voters backed Corbyn, three-quarters of those voters are opposed to Brexit, while Corbyn and his clique are fanatically in favour, because they want to set up a Stalinist siege economy under one-party rule.

What process brings such a absurd nonsense of an opinion into being?

There is no point have a EHOL that is just another HOC.

However it is constitutionally arranged it should be desinged to try and counter some of the flaws of short term electoral cycle democracy, e.g. populism and shortermism.

Ideally there would be long term seats, full of technocrats, PHD's and the like who are not that fussed about being reelected as they are in no way career politicians, so electoral popularity is not part of their agenda and decision making.

If we had the above, given the broad views of the class of people likely to be eligible for EHOL its 99% that EHOL would be more anti Brexit than the present one.

On the whole educated professional and successful people are anti Brexit.

Ah, Its all becoming clear to me now, the reason Jeremy Corbyn was always anti - EU and is now pro - brexit is because the EU were thwarting his and his cronies dastardly plans to create the United Kingdom of Soviet Socialist Republics.