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03-31-2018 , 07:14 PM
I don't know much about EI but he doesn't he have as much qualifications as a bunch of other people on the NEC?
03-31-2018 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Is he? I've heard him say supportive things but I don't recall negative things.

He is very pro-EU.
Which definitelty makes him anti-Corbyn
03-31-2018 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
What a disgusting piece of ****. Had the opportunity to apologise for enabling anti-Semitism and falsely claiming criticism of her anti-Semitism enabling was a media conspiracy ... chose to blame her resignation on a media conspiracy. **** off.
Shawcroft added: “I reaffirm my complete opposition to antisemitism and my abhorrence of Holocaust denial, and support all measures to tackle this within the party.
03-31-2018 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
What makes anyone think that a stand up comedian has anything to offer the Labour Party's NEC?

I get that he's regarded as the next national treasure but is this what politics is coming to?
Why should being a stand up comedian mean he doesn't have anthing to offer the NEC?
03-31-2018 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by tomj
Shawcroft added: “I reaffirm my complete opposition to antisemitism and my abhorrence of Holocaust denial, and support all measures to tackle this within the party.
Does this mean you believe Shawcroft shouldn't have resigned?
03-31-2018 , 08:13 PM
It means PartyGirlUK needs to stop misrepresenting people.
03-31-2018 , 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
Does this mean you believe Shawcroft shouldn't have resigned?
???
03-31-2018 , 08:23 PM
In answer to the question, yes she had to resign there's no question. Whether she deserved it or not she is covered in s***.

'A serious error of judgement' says Billy Bragg, that's about the most precise statement at this point. Anybody thinking they understand this story fully based on reports in Jewish News, Daily Mail and the Guardian is mis-guided imo.
03-31-2018 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by tomj
In answer to the question, yes she had to resign there's no question. Whether she deserved it or not she is covered in s***.

'A serious error of judgement' says Billy Bragg, that's about the most precise statement at this point. Anybody thinking they understand this story fully based on reports in Jewish News, Daily Mail and the Guardian is mis-guided imo.
So what is the story about Shawcross then?
03-31-2018 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
Which definitelty makes him anti-Corbyn
As someone who is both rabidly pro-EU and a JC supporter, I think you must be wrong.

JC is an arsenal supporter which is more problematic for me.

Last edited by chezlaw; 03-31-2018 at 09:48 PM.
03-31-2018 , 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tomj
In answer to the question, yes she had to resign there's no question. Whether she deserved it or not she is covered in s***.

'A serious error of judgement' says Billy Bragg, that's about the most precise statement at this point. Anybody thinking they understand this story fully based on reports in Jewish News, Daily Mail and the Guardian is mis-guided imo.
BB is usually dead on imo. Here's what he said

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Christine Shawcroft is not an anti-semite. She made a serious error of judgement, but parties that hope to form governments must expect to be held to higher standards. I campaigned with Eddie Izzard against the BNP in Barking and I welcome him to the NEC.
https://twitter.com/billybragg/statu...7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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Originally Posted by jalfrezi
What makes anyone think that a stand up comedian has anything to offer the Labour Party's NEC?

I get that he's regarded as the next national treasure but is this what politics is coming to?
Above is also a part response to you. EI has been active in politics for some time, he is not just a stand up comedian.
03-31-2018 , 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
So what is the story about Shawcross then?
No idea because I get my info from guardian etc. A lot of mis information flying around this issue, eg. Jackie Walker.

goes back to 2016:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...caust-comments

Hear Jackie herself, on..... Russia Today




Last edited by tomj; 03-31-2018 at 10:01 PM.
03-31-2018 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
As someone who is both rabidly pro-EU and a JC supporter, I think you must be wrong.

JC is an arsenal supporter which is more problematic for me.
He's definitely anti EU though, even if he finds it hard to come out and say so. We're in a weird situation where we have a PM who's possibly (slightly) pro-EU pretending to be a brexiteer and a leader of the opposition who's a brexiteer pretending to be a remainer.

Strange days we live in.
03-31-2018 , 09:58 PM
How does being rabidly pro-EU square with supporting someone more responsible for Brexit than any politician other than Farage & Cameron? Aren't you angry with him for throwing the referendum? Or is it more that you think that's a big flaw but you like a lot of the rest?
03-31-2018 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
He's definitely anti EU though, even if he finds it hard to come out and say so. We're in a weird situation where we have a PM who's possibly (slightly) pro-EU pretending to be a brexiteer and a leader of the opposition who's a brexiteer pretending to be a remainer.

Strange days we live in.
I agree although JC barely pretends (nor does May come to that).

A lot of the left is anti-EU.
03-31-2018 , 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by tomj
In answer to the question, yes she had to resign there's no question. Whether she deserved it or not she is covered in s***.

'A serious error of judgement' says Billy Bragg, that's about the most precise statement at this point. Anybody thinking they understand this story fully based on reports in Jewish News, Daily Mail and the Guardian is mis-guided imo.
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Originally Posted by tomj
No idea because I get my info from guardian etc. A lot of mis information flying around this issue, eg. Jackie Walker.

goes back to 2016:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...caust-comments

Hear Jackie herself, on..... Russia Today



Maybe it's because it's the early hours but you appear to have posted videos that have no relevance to my question about Shawcross.
03-31-2018 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
I agree although JC barely pretends (nor does May come to that).

A lot of the left is anti-EU.
They still do pretend though, whether or not they're good at it. Both parties are pretty shambolic in terms of their position on Brexit.
03-31-2018 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
How does being rabidly pro-EU square with supporting someone more responsible for Brexit than any politician other than Farage & Cameron? Aren't you angry with him for throwing the referendum? Or is it more that you think that's a big flaw but you like a lot of the rest?
I just disagree with the Bennite view about the EU. No I'm not angry with him. We are allowed to have different views about things.

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Originally Posted by Husker
They still do pretend though, whether or not they're good at it. Both parties are pretty shambolic in terms of their position on Brexit.
Indeed. Partly that the people involved but mostly it's trying to manage something that makes no sense on so many levels.

Last edited by chezlaw; 03-31-2018 at 10:27 PM.
04-01-2018 , 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Husker
Maybe it's because it's the early hours but you appear to have posted videos that have no relevance to my question about Shawcross.
I have no idea about Shawcroft, the only information I have is the report in the guardian.

The 2016 guardian 'report' about Jackie Walker is mostly false, or at least completely contradicts what she herself has said. Clearly they didn't bother to interview her.

So my answer is, I can't possibly have an accurate view on shawcross based on shoddy guardian journalism when it comes to anti semitism in the labour party.
04-01-2018 , 04:16 AM
In summary

What we can’t ever accept is summary justice. As Red Labour have maintained throughout, we acknowledge there are cases of anti-semitism in the party, and that it is a problem. We think it right for anyone to be expelled if they are found guilty, after detailed questioning and reviewing of the evidence, but if we accept the demand to expel people based on a swirl of hatred, we will struggle to call ourselves a democratic and socialist party in the future.

Bunch of stuff here

https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2018/...-eddie-izzard/
04-01-2018 , 04:31 AM
This one looks like total bllcks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-43586882

"the BBC has approached Ms teller for comment, after defaming her character"

Tell me, is this a balanced report? I am getting to boiling point with the standard of journalism in this country. People insta dismiss RT when you have this total w*** bbc

A Labour Party member in Sheffield is being investigated over a series of alleged anti-Semitic tweets.

Marianne Tellier, the former secretary of Labour's Park and Arbourthourne branch has been suspended after a number of complaints were received.

One tweet shows a Job Centre sign with the words Arbeit Macht Frei - Work Sets You Free - written on it; a reference to a sign at the WW2 Auschwitz camp.

Sheffield Heeley MP Louise Haigh described it as "repulsive".

More stories from across Yorkshire

The BBC has approached Ms Tellier for a comment.

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The words "Arbeit Macht Frei" are written above the entrance gate to the former Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz
The suspension comes amid an ongoing row about anti-Semitism in the Labour Party and on the day the head of its disputes panel, Christine Shawcroft, stood down from her role as it emerged she opposed the suspension of a council candidate accused of Holocaust denial.

The Job Centre image was originally posted in November 2017 but complaints only arose after it was recently retweeted.

The Labour Party has said it takes any complaints of anti-Semitism extremely seriously and a full investigation will be held into the allegations.

Labour MP Ms Haigh said: "The unacceptable and insensitive tweets are repulsive and it is absolutely right that she has now been suspended.

"I'm glad that the party has taken swift and decisive action and made clear that this kind of rhetoric will not be tolerated."

Labour councillors for the Park and Arbourthorne ward, Julie Dore, Jack Scott and Ben Miskell, said they welcomed the action being taken by the party.

In a statement they said: "It is right and appropriate that the party does not tolerate any form of anti-Semitism and it has no place in the party."

Sheffield city councillor and leader of the Liberal Democrat group, Shaffaq Mohammed, said: "This is absolutely appalling imagery and I expected better from the Labour Party."
04-01-2018 , 04:42 AM
what exactly do you object to in that article?
04-01-2018 , 04:48 AM
It's a self evident hatchet job ffs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalist%27s_Creed
04-01-2018 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PartyGirlUK
I don't know much about EI but he doesn't he have as much qualifications as a bunch of other people on the NEC?
Not really, no. But he's a marketable and likeable personality which apparently counts for more than political know how when it comes to policy. Shrug
04-01-2018 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by tomj
It's a self evident hatchet job ffs.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalist%27s_Creed
I don't see anything wrong with that BBC page.

How would you have reported it?

      
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