Meanwhile, the Labour party have issued a statement saying neither they nor Corbyn are anti-sematic, and Tomj is prepared to accept this at 100% face value despite an increasing amount of evidence to the contrary.

It would be surprising if there isn't more evidence that isn't being shared with the public.

It seems clear that the UK has been presenting evidence to the other counties and it's fairly hard to believe so many would be taking action acting against Russia if they thought there was any plausible chance of evidence emerging that shows someone else was responsible.

It isn't hard to believe at all. It would be more surprising if May failed to get any traction with NATO countries, it would be absurd in fact. The US/UK managed to build a (limited) alliance against sadaam based on a crock of **** to quote the iraqi who originally made the info up. Because it fit the broader agenda of those countries.

It may be Russia. It may not be Russia. According to the high court ruling based on the evidence from the OPCW this could have been done by a non state actor, note the wording or closely related agent.

Ah but there must be evidence Boris isn't telling us but is telling the rest of the world. We can only assume the evidence he referred to is what has already been sent to the OPCW, that there is nothing more. It would be weird if there was since the response is already underway prior to a full investigation. I doubt we will be hearing much more substantial evidence any time soon.

It's a very different dynamic from a USA led determination to go to war but even then Germany wouldn't go along with it because of the lack of evidence. Nor didFrance. It's a real stretch to imagine this isn't evidence based.

Yes it's much more likely to be BS this time around because there is much less at stake, in the short term. Germany and France opposed the US because their oil firms were knee deep with sadaam. They have no reason not to side with the UK over Russia and this expulsion of diplomats charade.

Several thousand including me attended the demo requested by the Board of Deputies in Parliament Square this evening despite the short notice. Speakers included John Mann MP, Wes Streeting MP and Luciana Berger MP (the one who gets most of the death threats and deselection threats from the red fascists of Momentum). Chuka Umunna and other MPs were also there.

The Corbynite 'Jewish Voice for Labour' counter-demonstration consisted of about a dozen weirdos at the north-east corner of the square, but of course the media have to mention their presence 'for balance' even though they were a mere embarrassment and were duly shunned.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43536830

Yeah it's not as if Germany relies on Russia for anything...

And it's funny -- I mean literally comical -- how Corbynistas always turn out to be Putinistas, isn't it?

I mean, Germany gets 35% of its natural gas from Russia, so I guess there is at least a little at stake...

There isn't. Expelling some diplomats will have zero impact on trade. Invading another sovereign state and taking over the regime will, otoh.

Stella line up there. So you have non-jews telling Jews they are weirdos and shunning them and ignoring their views. I see Ian Paisley MP was in attendance. Chortle. Oh and Norman tebbit.

By implication you believe Jeremy Corbyn is anti semitic? If that is the case then prepare to have a barrage of 'evidence to the contrary' exposing your smearing nonsense.

Yeah that joke never gets old.

Some commentary on who Jewish Voice for Labour (who've only existed since last autumn) actually are and what they're up to:--

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news...-anti-semitism

I had a look at their website earlier as I'd never heard of them before. It did seem a bit fishy that they only formed fairly recently.

Corbyn getting a bit of a kicking from one of his own about Russia

https://twitter.com/paulhutcheon/sta...37332607713280

^ (re 57) yada yada yada. Instead of this 3rd rate analysis why not see what the group are actually saying and make your own mind up.

http://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/

I wouldn't call woodcock, with the emphasis on cock, one of his own.

what do you mean, 'a bit fishy'? Obv this group is a response to the smear campaign which has been going on since 2015 coinciding with the first election of Corbyn.

JVL Statement of Principles
Jewish Voice for Labour (JVL) is a network for Jewish members of the Labour Party.

Our political priorities are universal human rights and dignity; justice for all; freedom of expression; and democracy in the Labour Party.

Our mission is to contribute to making the Labour Party an open, democratic and inclusive party, encouraging all ethnic groups and cultures to join and participate freely. As such we aim to strengthen the party in its opposition to all forms of racism including antisemitism, broadening the party’s appeal to all sections of British society. We take inspiration from the long history of Jewish involvement in the socialist and trade-union movements and in antiracist and antifascist struggles, including the anti-apartheid and civil-rights movements.

We stand for rights and justice for Jewish people everywhere, and against wrongs and injustice to Palestinians and other oppressed people anywhere. We uphold the right of supporters of justice for Palestinians to engage in solidarity activities, such as Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions. We oppose attempts to widen the definition of antisemitism beyond its meaning of hostility towards or discrimination against Jews as Jews.

At a time of profound divisions in Jewish communities, JVL offers a space to explore and debate the many questions (personal, social, cultural, political) that are important to us as progressive Labour Jews.

We will work where appropriate with existing groups involved with issues of common concern from an internationalist and anti-racist perspective.

28 July 2017

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news...-anti-semitism

first caller on james o'brien from JVL, about 13 mins in, doesnt sound like a 'weirdo' to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIqNQzoSukw

same thing as what 57 posted.
I'd like to know thoughts on what the actual group have been saying

daily politics, 17 mins in, eloquent (in spite of being aggressively cut off by presenter) and principled woman from jewish voices in labour.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp8Odde6zBs

ok now they've wheeled out Tony Blair on this, im done