domestic-focused ftse 250 2000 pts higher in dollars compared with a week before the ref, lol project fear lol insta-recessionaments

Yeah, I hate Corbyn and wish the Labour Party could actually be a credible opposition (eg Dianne Abbott and Thornberry being on back benches), but there's real comedy to be had with the PLP trying to topple him. Plus they'll have 5 years to scrub house, so let's have a year or two of comedy antics trying to scrape this particular turd off the boot before it gets properly pressing for serious business to take over.

You don't really sound like you aren't a Tory. That element of sadistic relish and personal hatred is common to many Tories.

Obviously I dislike what Teresa May stands for but I don't wish her any specific or personal harm. I can't imagine, in the unlikely event she loses, getting off on seeing her removed by other Tories. When John Major was defeated I felt genuinely sad for him if not the country. You have leakage, as a psychiatrist would say.

Are the Tories the ones with cockney accents or are they the ones with posh accents?

Bookmarked for second quarter after we have actually left.

you're just opening yourself up for counterlangering

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a large part of my antibrexitness is down to economic factors so we're in the same boat really, but the 'project reality' claim was not that exit = a recession in 4 years, it was exit = recession tomorrow and it turned out to be bollocks. no point pretending otherwise

Mssrs. Cameron and Johnson c.1982

Both. The cockney sitcom character Alf Garnett, in Till Death Us Do Part, was a working-class Tory. He was the model for Archie Bunker in All In The Family.



(Incidentally, the big blond actor playing Alf's socialist son-in-law -- he's Tony Booth, Tony Blair's father-in-law.)

You cant have a recession in less than 6 months ducy?

One person made the insta recession claim and that was still predicated on immediate trigger of article 50. Hyperbolic claim made in election shocker.

However most proponents of project reality where much more sensible and were simple arguing against the bollox of if we leave we can trade wiv the world it wont take years of negotiating, euro's need us more than we need them etc and pointing out realities like the pound will obviously tank etc.

Also a recession after the first two quarters after we formally leave is hardly crazy talk given we are only at 0.8% annualized growth right now. So even the most hyperbolic claim if put into context is really not that hyperbolic.

Let's have some voting TRs.

Just cast mine in a very safe Tory seat. I've never voted before but my Mum said that the polling station was far more crowded than usual. Everybody white. Everybody middle aged. With that in mind I'm predicting a 649 seat Tory majority. (Lucas to hold on in Brighton.)

After a lot of umming and ahhing I eventually plumped for the Lib Dems. Would vote for Labour in a seat they had a chance of winning but don't want to increase Corbyn's vote share when there is no chance of the seat being won.

Only four candidates on the ballot which was interesting. I'm fairly clued up politically but had no idea UKIP weren't running and I imagine there'll be a few thousand people turning up intending to vote UKIP today in my seat alone. Curious to see who most of these people end up voting for (if anybody).

voted at about half 5, was the only person in the place

ticked the boxes for labour, lib dems and conservatives in order to triple my chances of victory

Voted at around 6pm. Still can't believe you don't actually need your polling card or any ID to prove who you are. System is massively exposed to electoral fraud. Next GE might turn up at a highly marginal seat and vote 100 times in a variety of different costumes.

think i read that they are changing it in the next couple years and you're gonna need more than your name and address

No, you can only vote once. You're then crossed off the list and no one can vote under that identity again. Which is all that really matters.

The American system, involving 'voter ID', is geared towards voter suppression.

How so? Surely turning up with proof of ID can only be a good thing

Yes, but if you pose as someone who hasn't already voted...

"Vote early and vote often"

the yanks made it law that you have to show your driving license to vote, and then southern republicans closed all the DMVs in black neighborhoods..

But will they have 5 years? I bet many accepted Corbin in the first place under the assumption that he could be replaced in 3-4 years with a telegenic leader to lead them to victory in the 2020 election. It turned out that fixed term thing wasn't so fixed tho.

So just make driving licenses not the only acceptable form of ID and bring charges against anyone found guilty of doing crazy redneck crap? Needn't be a problem

i dunno if its necessary tbh. if fat bob turned up to vote and it turned out that jalfrezi had gone in there with a fake mustache claiming to be fat bob & he'd been crossed off the list, we'd know about it

So you need to know the full name and address of someone who you know has registered but won't vote. Seems like a lot of prep work for one vote that basically doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

There's a Politics 7.0 thread where this is explained in painful detail to bahbahmickey. The gist is that it becomes politicized easily, so that certain types of IDs that members of one party have are allowed forms whereas other types that members of the other party are likely to hold are disallowed. Then the allowed forms are made difficult to obtain. The effect has been in America that fewer eligible Democrats vote once these laws are imposed.

The only way I'd be ok with it is if there was a national government issued free ID given to everyone on their 18th birthday or when they become a citizen. But since voter fraud really doesn't seem to be an issue I'd rather they spend the money that would cost on nurses tbh.

Hah when I went to vote they actually thought I was my son... Who lives in a different city. Was tempted, but couldn't be arsed to go back later, so pointed out their error

Plus it was a vote for Nicky Morgan, and I couldn't hold my nose on that twice.