We disagree on a lot of things, probably most, but it's been a decent discussion. It would've been interesting to see how things would've played out if Smith hadn't passed away.

Corbyn wins with a 2.5% increase in his support (60,000 extra votes in the expanded electorate). Conciliatory victory speech.

59% of 285,000 members
60% of 100,000 affiliates
70% of 122,000 supporters

lol, phenomenal day for the conservative party

William Hill are taking bets on when Labour will next be in government. The shortest price is for 2031 or later

its nice to see labour attempting to patch things up, everyone from corbyn to chukka making conciliatory noises

i mean there's a 100% chance they'll be at each others throats again within 6 months but its a good effort at least

So its gg forever for labour right?

Just saw Huskers post lol yup ..

If any pro Corbyn supporters want to bet on his chances in the next general election then post here and I'll match the bet.

What odds?

Not pro-Corbyn, but would be interested in a bet at the right odds.

Had to laugh at the one Labour councillor I know taking the conciliatory route

No wait he threw his toys out of the pram and is now an independent

It has.

On the odds, that's partly because labour would be dogs under any leader and partly because in - fighting or even splits are likely to dominate. That leaves something for JC himself of course.

6 months? 6 days more like.

Jeez it's amazing the bravado a day on the lash brings out

I'd assume anyone confident in Corbyn's chances would be happy with an even money bet but I'll offer 3-1 to reputable posters up to a maximum of $200.

I see he's off to a flyer again today. He's querying the need for MI6 to take on a new intake of staff, which seems pretty bizarre given the nature of the threat we face these days, he's probably lost the backing of those in the military given his comments in response to those of May about vexatious claims and he's talking of allowing activists more power over policy, which means there's even less chance of us seeing the sort of pragmatism that is required to make the party electable again.

Labour majority at next GE is currently 8.6 on Betfair, so no thanks.

jfc that says it all

Seriously that is a very good bet to make.

Corbyn talking to ordinary people -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPC_phLWNK4 - great contribution at 16.10 btw

The reality is that alternative ideas which put people before profit are hugely popular right now.

Some years ago Corgi Toys produced a model of the Austin 1300 Estate with the figure of Basil Fawlty, in evening dress, brandishing a a partial shrub, included.

http://picclick.co.uk/corgi-car-Aust...331544255.html

Serves as a warning about what can happen when nationalisation goes too far. My god British Leyland cars were awful (I later bought a second hand Rover SD1 with mechanicalcentral locking that was atrocious. When it refused to unlock once, I had to jemmy the window open to get out).

I don't know, Issigonis's 1100-1300 cars were brought in under private BMC ownership and were pretty good, sort of upsized Minis. Nationalisation admittedly led management and workers alike into a sort of Alice Cooper 'School's out!' mentality, thinking they'd got a perpetual blank cheque for bad behaviour. David Bache's SD1, conceived as a four-door stretch Ferrari Daytona, was a clever design, but the workmanship and materials were awful, the gearbox was... I don't want to talk about it... and I never had trouble with the central locking myself, but it doesn't altogether surprise me if a lot of people did.

Looks like Tom Watson has gone off message already. Stout defence of the Blair government, repeating the mantra about needing to be elected, a defence of business and capitalism, dealing with a heckler (at Corbyn's expense), talk about not being idealougues...

From about 18 minutes onwards:

Also, some interesting nuggets from an exit poll following the leadership election

* Owen Smith was the overwhelming winner among Labour member who joined the part prior to the 2015 General Election (63% - 37%)

* Jeremy Corbyn was a huge winner with those who joined during the 2015 Leadership election (74% - 25%) and those who joined after he was elected leader (83% - 15%)

* Jeremy Corbyn was a huge winner with those who hadn't voted Labour at the last general election (78% - 21%)

* Jerenmy Corbyn won in all regions except Scotland

http://election-data.co.uk/labour-membership-poll

As Tom Watson suggests, a party that derides and disowns its own record in government is unlikely to find itself elected to govern again anytime in the foreseeable future.

But Corbynistas, of course, aren't interested in government, or even in parliamentary democracy, only in 'protest' and 'direct action'.

smith presumably won in scotland because all the hardcore lefties up there quit labour to join the snp a couple years ago

To a party that are pretty much centrist, at best, or slightly right wing.