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11-18-2016 , 08:03 PM
This is a preview of awval and the like's posts over the next four years...

"Keep screaming unconstitutional at everything trump does" as trump is rounding up Muslims, stopping and frisking blacks, etc etc
11-18-2016 , 08:04 PM
I really don't get awval's angle here. Trump won, ergo racism is dead, shut up liberals?

Trump won, ergo you can only defeat racism if you shut up about it liberals?

What on earth???
11-18-2016 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicholasp27
This is a preview of awval and the like's posts over the next four years...

"Keep screaming unconstitutional at everything trump does" as trump is rounding up Muslims, stopping and frisking blacks, etc etc
I guess we'd better shut up before awval votes to send us all to re-education camps, cause that would sure show us.
11-18-2016 , 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I really don't get awval's angle here. Trump won, ergo racism is dead, shut up liberals?

Trump won, ergo you can only defeat racism if you shut up about it liberals?

What on earth???
Trump won, **** minorities, and shut up about them, liberals.
11-18-2016 , 08:15 PM
Maybe stop talking about it because liberals obviously care a lot and conservatives don't care at all despite the lip service? Think the strong Repub support of Trump indicates they will tolerate if not outright support racism as long as they get whatever else they want (if there is indeed something else they want). I get they all "abhor" it but not as much as they abhor BLM and Colin Kaepernick so it's not like it's changing any votes; these people will shrug and move on if there are Muslim internment camps, or outright deny them.
11-18-2016 , 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
If the family wasn't running the business I wouldn't see a problem.
Good thing the law disagrees with you.

Nepotism at the highest levels of government is a problem way beyond financial conflicts of interest.
11-18-2016 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Jiggymike
Maybe stop talking about it because liberals obviously care a lot and conservatives don't care at all despite the lip service? Think the strong Repub support of Trump indicates they will tolerate if not outright support racism as long as they get whatever else they want (if there is indeed something else they want). I get they all "abhor" it but not as much as they abhor BLM and Colin Kaepernick so it's not like it's changing any votes; these people will shrug and move on if there are Muslim internment camps, or outright deny them.
So instead of calling Sessions a racist, we...make up other reasons why he's not qualified and argue those, ignoring the elephant in the room? We say "ok, cool, we approve" and let him go to town eroding civil rights for minorities for the next 4+ years?

What exactly is the play being advertised here?

awval's "shut up about racism liberals" and your "it doesn't win votes so maybe he's right" kinda seem like they both lead to a racist being appointed Attorney General of the United States?
11-18-2016 , 08:31 PM
As Fly said, the wolf in the Boy Who Cried Wolf was ****ing real. Awval, you voted for this **** for your boys to "send a message," fine. If that is your real reason, compassion, now its your job to stand up for the minorities you put at risk. Yet, when the evidence grows that the wolf is real via Trump's appointments all you do is laugh at the liberals?

Have you no sense of decency? Because you sure aren't coming across as a very compassionate fellow that made what you believe to be an unfortunate, but necessary, decision.

And Trump settling his fraud case for swindling the working class for $25 million, doesn't give you any pause that he just swindled your boys too. That maybe instead of spite voting you should have helped them understand who this man obviously is. Nope, yet another reason to laugh at liberals.
11-18-2016 , 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TimmayB
Sorry to be super cynical but the o/u of deaths on Inauguration Day (at or near the actual event) has to be over .5 yeah?
Hopefully two.

Pence will be there, right?
11-18-2016 , 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Keep screaming "racist" at everything and everyone.

It's worked real well so far. Literally TRUMP is President-elect.
It's kind of a conundrum. Trump won over a lot of white, lower to middle class voters who have been hammered by the changing world economy over the last 30 years (globalization shipping jobs overseas, wage stagnation, rising health care costs, etc.) by blaming immigrants and muslims for their problems, which appealed to them.

But now he's stuck. He has to deliver. And he's never bringing those jobs back, so he has to appoint anti-immigrant, anti-muslim people to his administration to carry out some of his promises to appease those voters.

He's painted himself into a corner. I don't think Trump is a racist. He srikes me as a bad guy, but not a racist. But his whole schtick was that he had easy solutions (build a wall, ban all muslims) to really complex problems. And now he has to implement some of these solutions, which can only be done by appointing people who will actually carry out these plans, however misguided they are.

Sadly, you have to be somewhat of a racist if you are the type of person who actually believes a random muslim or illegal immigrant is any more dangerous to society than anyone else, because the facts don't back up that argument.

I completely understand the appeal of Trump to the majority of America. My greatest fear is that the economy goes south, aka Germany and the rest of the world in the 1930s, and then we are looking at a bad situation. Because a lot of Americans are acting in a very scary manner right now, when their lives are really pretty good. Imagine what they will be like when they lose their homes and can't afford food.
11-18-2016 , 08:40 PM
Sorry I wasn't advocating it, just trying to come up with a rationale. It really doesn't move the needle for enough people but agree that we can't ignore it and I'm very concerned with Sessions as AG.

Also agree with jsb above, very concerning that people are already on edge and taking everything that is happening as business as usual.
11-18-2016 , 08:41 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/18/us...-finances.html

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In particular, Mr. Trump criticized Mrs. Clinton’s speeches to Wall Street banks. But Mr. Giuliani, in a one-year period that ended in January 2007, earned $750,000 in speaking fees — before the 20 percent cut taken by the speakers’ agency — for eight speeches he gave to Wall Street banks and other major financial institutions, including JPMorgan Chase, Merrill Lynch and Lehman Brothers, before its collapse. As with Mrs. Clinton, there is little public record of what Mr. Giuliani said during these events.
11-18-2016 , 08:43 PM
I wonder if enough non-Muslims would have the balls to voluntarily put themselves on a registry just to show the futility of trying to determine someone's religion and/or how seriously they take it.
11-18-2016 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Do you think Sessions isn't racist, or do you think we should just ignore his racism?
Sessions is a 69 year old Alabama-born and raised old white guy.

I am sure his life experiences are much different than mine.

There was a really good post a year or so ago when someone defended the fact that you don't call Midwesterners "racist" because we take it literally like it means you think we want to lynch African-Americans like they did in the deep south.

I don't think many (the echo chamber) realize how deep and ugly that word is. And when it is used, it makes the accused draw back and become even more sure that voting for TRUMP was correct.

Humans are fallible. It may literally be like, "You made me hit you" just like "You made me vote for Trump". The entire Midwest fell for Trump. We're not all racist.

If non-college educated white voters start voting like a minority (80%+)--- the Democrats will lose every election for the next generation.
11-18-2016 , 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Hold'em 07
Wtf, he did business advocating for a ****ing terror group but speeches to a bank is getting concentrated on?

It got like one sentence.
11-18-2016 , 08:51 PM
Question:

Someone throw me a name--- that you wouldn't "be concerned" with, for Trump to pick as AG.

Give me someone realistic, that a Republican would pick, not an unrealistic, Eric Holder shout out.
11-18-2016 , 08:54 PM
Alright, so what would you call the people who are at worst racist and at best just happen to coincidentally constantly vote for a slew of policies that, intentionally or not (lol), disproportionally hurt minorities and prop up institutional racism?

I'm not even really thinking of Trump in particular here. He ran as a wildly different candidate than your typical Republican and the fact that he still got that label despite abandoning many planks of the platform your capital C Conservatives hold dear while emphasizing some truly bigoted **** should tell you all you need to know about the glue that is holding that coalition together.
11-18-2016 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Sessions is a 69 year old Alabama-born and raised old white guy.

I am sure his life experiences are much different than mine.

There was a really good post a year or so ago when someone defended the fact that you don't call Midwesterners "racist" because we take it literally like it means you think we want to lynch African-Americans like they did in the deep south.

I don't think many (the echo chamber) realize how deep and ugly that word is. And when it is used, it makes the accused draw back and become even more sure that voting for TRUMP was correct.

Humans are fallible. It may literally be like, "You made me hit you" just like "You made me vote for Trump". The entire Midwest fell for Trump. We're not all racist.

If non-college educated white voters start voting like a minority (80%+)--- the Democrats will lose every election for the next generation.
You are a racist.
11-18-2016 , 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Good thing the law disagrees with you.

Nepotism at the highest levels of government is a problem way beyond financial conflicts of interest.
Robert Kennedy was an asset to John.
11-18-2016 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
The entire Midwest fell for Trump. We're not all racist.
Okay, but, it kinda seems like Jeff Sessions is?

Was this long post that ignored the question entirely your way of saying "no, I don't think Jeff Sessions is racist"?

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Originally Posted by awval999
Question:

Someone throw me a name--- that you wouldn't "be concerned" with, for Trump to pick as AG.

Give me someone realistic, that a Republican would pick, not an unrealistic, Eric Holder shout out.
I'm not super versed in who the stable for AG candidates contains, but as proof that this isn't liberal knee-jerking against literally anything Trump does, I'm fine with Jamie Dimon for Treasury.
11-18-2016 , 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999
Question:

Someone throw me a name--- that you wouldn't "be concerned" with, for Trump to pick as AG.

Give me someone realistic, that a Republican would pick, not an unrealistic, Eric Holder shout out.
I think Christie would be a better choice. Kobach might have been worse not entirely sure.
11-18-2016 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Noze
I wonder if enough non-Muslims would have the balls to voluntarily put themselves on a registry just to show the futility of trying to determine someone's religion and/or how seriously they take it.
i wouldn't. but only because i honestly believe there is a nonzero chance muslims will be rounded up into camps by the government and murdered.
11-18-2016 , 09:12 PM
Trump values loyalty #1 and the people who were most loyal to him this election were the most right-wing that loved all the crazy **** he said in the Republican primary. Now these people are being given huge power. You realize that is what is going on here awval, right?
11-18-2016 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Robert Kennedy was an asset to John.
Uday was an asset to Saddam.
11-18-2016 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by awval999

There was a really good post a year or so ago when someone defended the fact that you don't call Midwesterners "racist" because we take it literally like it means you think we want to lynch African-Americans like they did in the deep south.

I don't think many (the echo chamber) realize how deep and ugly that word is. And when it is used, it makes the accused draw back and become even more sure that voting for TRUMP was correct.

Humans are fallible. It may literally be like, "You made me hit you" just like "You made me vote for Trump". The entire Midwest fell for Trump. We're not all racist.
I think when a person is falsely accused of being a racist, the most overwhelming emotion is hurt, for it is an awful thing to be. And it really hurts to be called a racist, if you truly believe you are not. After the hurt, comes a period of introspection when you try to figure out what it is that you are doing or saying that is giving someone the impression that you are racist.

So when I see just pure stonefaced denial, without a symptom of hurt, it always makes me feel like there may be a bit of truth in the accusation.

      
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