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12-27-2016 , 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
You still didn't vote for Trump!
That's because I personally don't care that you try so hard to make me out to be a white nationalist or a racist piece of garbage. I know who I am. I want pretty much the same things you do when it comes to equality and am not much more racist than you are (there may still be some nuances to racism that get that I have yet to grasp). We just have very different prescriptions for how to accomplish the objective.

You have it all backwards. It's not MY feelings that are being hurt. And it's not Stan you need to worry about offending. On the contrary, it's your SJW rhetoric that has caused STAN to be sick of having to walk on eggshells worrying about offending everyone else! He can't buy his kid a Halloween costume without worrying about it being offensive to someone. He's gotta learn newly invented gender neutral pronouns or he might offend. And god forbid he thinks ALL live matter, or he's called insensitive and a racist.

Stan is your typical American white rural male. He just doesn't get some of this stuff and by you lumping him into the same racist bag that Clement belongs in, you only alienate him further.

I go back to my original question to you: Do you even care about achieving true equality? Or do you prefer getting your kicks out of bashing those who aren't as sophisticated as you about the nuances of equality? Bashing is more fun, but it's not the solution.
12-27-2016 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Not telling him he's a racist because it's going to hurt his feelings isn't going to change anything.
Again, you guys have it backwards! It's not his feelings you have to worry about. The reason the Stans of America voted Trump is because THEY'RE the ones sick of having to worry about offending and hurting everyone else's feelings. Until you understand this, it's only going to get worse.
12-27-2016 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Again, you guys have it backwards! It's not his feelings you have to worry about. The reason the Stans of America voted Trump is because THEY'RE the ones sick of having to worry about offending and hurting everyone else's feelings. Until you understand this, it's only to get worse.
That makes them racists. You don't get that not offending people in day to day conversation is a pretty big part of not thinking offensive thoughts about a class of people, which is the sign you aren't a racist. If you have to spend any ****ing amount of thought about how to address someone in a way that isn't going to offend them you are a racist.
12-27-2016 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
I am comfortable calling both theft and murder "crimes" because that is what words mean.
So you're comfortable with calling a lady who stole a mint out of jar a criminal? How about in mixed company in front of others? Seems a little harsh to me.

People were also clever enough to come up with words like Kleptomania to differentiate between true criminality from mental deficiencies.
12-27-2016 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Except it's not the dumb racists that got Trump elected.

It was the dumb SJWs.
LOL lestat
12-27-2016 , 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
If you have to spend any ****ing amount of thought about how to address someone in a way that isn't going to offend them you are a racist.
I agree. But I think one needs to allow for varying degrees of racism. Someone who disagrees with Kaepernick on the grounds of patriotism, is not necessarily an overt racist. And I think to call it such is a mistake. Not for the sake of the guy who disagrees, but for YOU. The guy who supposedly cares about making progress on achieving true equality. Rather than call him a racist, you are better off trying to explain what Kaepernick is doing and why it's not necessarily unpatriotic and in fact, may be the most patriotic thing he can do! I had this exact conversation with an acquaintance and he finally agreed. Our dialog wouldn't have got past the first sentence if I had started out by calling him a racist.
12-27-2016 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
i highly recommend people itt watch the first 7 minutes of this video. these are two smart liberals. skimming through the politics section has been a serious eye opener. it is like cheerleader camp for liberals here. even the moderators come off as just another member of the squad. its a sad state of flawed group think

Dont stop me form using the words. Here are some words i dont want you to use.
12-27-2016 , 02:05 PM
That's the entire argument against SJWs in a nutshell.
12-27-2016 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
LOL lestat
LOL goofyballer

Last edited by Lestat; 12-27-2016 at 02:06 PM. Reason: (just wanted to see what having nothing useful to say felt like).
12-27-2016 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
For lots of reasons probably but at least in part because i said it is fundamentally based on core tenets that are morally repugnant.
Do you say that about every other religion as well?
12-27-2016 , 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
Again, you guys have it backwards! It's not his feelings you have to worry about. The reason the Stans of America voted Trump is because THEY'RE the ones sick of having to worry about offending and hurting everyone else's feelings. Until you understand this, it's only going to get worse.
So we should just be ok with rampant racist *******ry spouting racist *******ry for racist *******ry sake and thinking that telling these people that doing this **** is harmful and we should probably stop being harmful to each other is now a bad thing?
12-27-2016 , 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
I agree. But I think one needs to allow for varying degrees of racism. Someone who disagrees with Kaepernick on the grounds of patriotism, is not necessarily an overt racist. And I think to call it such is a mistake. Not for the sake of the guy who disagrees, but for YOU. The guy who supposedly cares about making progress on achieving true equality. Rather than call him a racist, you are better off trying to explain what Kaepernick is doing and why it's not necessarily unpatriotic and in fact, may be the most patriotic thing he can do! I had this exact conversation with an acquaintance and he finally agreed. Our dialog wouldn't have got past the first sentence if I had started out by calling him a racist.
None of us start out calling anybody a racist. It's an earned title after they say "Yeah but all lives still matter" after we explain the Kaepernick thing
12-27-2016 , 02:34 PM
Also, lol at "We must allow for different degrees of racism"

Yeah, that will help things. You would have been one of the people who told the uppity negros to be happy with their separate lunch counters. "Come on guys, you're making the white people mad. Look, they let you sit in the same restaurant, be happy about that."

Is no different than "come on guys, this person only thinks you're inferior. He still thinks you should have all the same rights, he's just ok with you guys being shot a lot more often by cops. Can't you be happy that he hangs out with people like you and is on having a beer with Jerome after work?"
12-27-2016 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
That's because I personally don't care that you try so hard to make me out to be a white nationalist or a racist piece of garbage. I know who I am.
So maybe give Stan some credit, too?

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I want pretty much the same things you do when it comes to equality and am not much more racist than you are (there may still be some nuances to racism that get that I have yet to grasp). We just have very different prescriptions for how to accomplish the objective.
OK and I'm just saying it's a little convenient that your prescription primarily seems to involve fewer people disagreeing with you online for Stan's benefit. Maybe too convenient.

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You have it all backwards. It's not MY feelings that are being hurt. And it's not Stan you need to worry about offending. On the contrary, it's your SJW rhetoric that has caused STAN to be sick of having to walk on eggshells worrying about offending everyone else! He can't buy his kid a Halloween costume without worrying about it being offensive to someone.
OK and again you're kind of assuming Stan's first choice would be blackface for Stan Jr. here? Going back with my "**** Stan" plan here seems solid, just be Batman or something.

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He's gotta learn newly invented gender neutral pronouns or he might offend. And god forbid he thinks ALL live matter, or he's called insensitive and a racist.
Uh, OK, and the way you phrase this seems real odd in that you're explicitly adopting, via Stan, the racist framing of Black Lives Matter meaning that non-Black lives don't.

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Stan is your typical American white rural male. He just doesn't get some of this stuff and by you lumping him into the same racist bag that Clement belongs in, you only alienate him further.
I literally don't believe you, and again, this is explicitly the same rhetoric bigots have used for YEARS to tell people to stop complaining about injustice.

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I go back to my original question to you: Do you even care about achieving true equality? Or do you prefer getting your kicks out of bashing those who aren't as sophisticated as you about the nuances of equality? Bashing is more fun, but it's not the solution.
OK, and like I said, show me them receipts. Where did you engage some soft-racist convertible Stan and make him woke?
12-27-2016 , 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
That makes them racists. You don't get that not offending people in day to day conversation is a pretty big part of not thinking offensive thoughts about a class of people, which is the sign you aren't a racist. If you have to spend any ****ing amount of thought about how to address someone in a way that isn't going to offend them you are a racist.
Ding ding ding.

The thing that racists think 100% of the time is that EVERYONE is racist just like them, they think the difference is that non-racists just self-censor their naturally racist thoughts out of politeness.

Lestat, you really think I'm spending a lot of time filtering my honest ****ing opinions?
12-27-2016 , 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
no its not and the fact you don't get it is actually pretty funny. the science tell us that the language police or the ones attempting to be language police actually have low verbal intelligence. i realize lefties hate science but, thats just because you never agree. its also why you are so susceptible to junk science propagated by womens study groups who generate confirmation bias through flawed methodology
Right winger language police like yourself have been censoring before Elvis shook his hips and Lucille Ball was with child instead of pregnant. Are you new to the American word and PC police?

Last edited by batair; 12-27-2016 at 02:58 PM.
12-27-2016 , 02:46 PM
Consider that Stan's cultural resentment issues are probably not from following @theshrillest on Twitter, but instead from the actual media he does consume constantly showing more gay and interracial relationships, liberated female sexuality, people of different faiths, and so forth. If he's the sort of guy you say he is, a typical rural American, what ****ing exposure does he have to these SJWs?

We're still waiting for a single liberal Trump voter who did it to spite the people who disagree with Lestat about Colin Kaeperinik to identify themselves, but if we're dealing with this hypothetical, when you say that Stan got radicalized by SJWs, which SJWs? Who did it, and how?
12-27-2016 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Right winger language police like yourself have been censoring before Evils shook his hips and Lucille Ball was with child instead of pregnant. Are you new to the American word and PC police?
you have proven to be hopeless but since theres other people reading this.... what language am i attempting to censor? what language are they trying to censor in the video?

im predicting a logical disaster here. thats kind of what to expect when people are in a bubble and don't have their ideas challenged
12-27-2016 , 02:50 PM
I was using yourself in the royal sense. The right has been word police (and action in the case of Elvis hips) for a very long time.

Last edited by batair; 12-27-2016 at 02:58 PM.
12-27-2016 , 02:54 PM
strong non answer and great generalization. its almost as if i predicted it....
12-27-2016 , 02:55 PM
It was the dumb SJWs.
It was the dumb SJWs.
It was the dumb SJWs.
It was the dumb SJWs.
It was the dumb SJWs.
It was the dumb SJWs.
It was the dumb SJWs.
12-27-2016 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
I was using yourself in the royal sense. The right has been word police (and action in the case of Evils's hips) for a very long time.
your autocorrect is doing weird things to the word Elvis
12-27-2016 , 02:59 PM
a couple more powerful and informed responses to specific points and claims.... see how damaging it is to bee in a bubble? once ideas finally get challenged the logic is so soft, doughy, and weak, you get rainbows and nonsense

....at least it wasn't predictable
12-27-2016 , 02:59 PM
Fly, you should write a book in the exact tone as you write in this forum. I'd read it. Would be an epicly long rant.
12-27-2016 , 03:00 PM
There i fixed my Elvis...

      
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