And they are still wearing those hats two years later why?

Also scariest situation I’ve had in my “city” was driving my car into a cul-de-sac in kind of a bad area trying to catch a dog in the middle of the day. I rolled down my window to speak to a guy who seemed like he might know whose dog it was and he kind of stuck his face in and leaned hard on my door (making it awkward for me to pull away and he was strong af), then asked for a dollar. I gave it to him and got the heck out of there but doubt I was in real danger, guy was just intimidating me and it worked.

Please explain these "legitimate beefs" and how Trump has improved or rectified them over the past 24 months.

Wouldnt continuing to wear the hat at this point with that particular grievance after two years of complete government ****ups at the hands of Trump be a bit... stupid?

Cognitive dissonance is a thing. Stockholm even at this point, held hostage by the horrendous reality they put this imbecile into the White House.

Whether some people wear the maga hat for virtuous reasons is immaterial now - the item has become toxic because it has been adopted by the far right as a symbol.

There are parallels to this in the early 2000s with "luxury" brand Burberry in the UK. The Burberry hat - why is it always hats - was co-opted by football hooligans and Burberry had a real PR problem on their hands.

In the end they stopped producing the hat

https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/artic...=brandrepublic

The clothes brand has ordered manufacturers to discontinue the range of caps and clear shelves after numerous pictures in the media showed louts wearing the £50 headwear being arrested.

The cap has become favoured by professional hooligans such as Cardiff City's "Soul Crew", whose favoured "uniform" of Burberry and Aquascutum clothes have become as distinctive as those of the police who arrest them.

Holy moly. Like we have to pretend at this point that wearing a MAGA hat is not a purposeful expression and that purpose is to identify oneself in a specific way? Nobody is saying that there can't and won't be nuanced viewpoints within the group, but the basics can be pretty well trusted---It's a ****ing slogan. The slogan has been well defined. People who wear it are associating themselves with it. They are saying I support what the president is doing, says he wants to do and the direction things are going. We are judging people by what they are LITERALLY communicating.

I would imagine that the Kentucky kids wearing MAGA hats and other Trump clothing were doing so because of the rally they attended in DC. They wore Trump stuff as a type of peacocking/fitting into a group rather than reflecting some deeply-held views on Trumps agenda or policies.

If the point posted above is that not everybody who wears a MAGA hat is a deplorable (however you want to define that term), I agree. But the counter-point is that if you want to align publicly with a group, you have to be willing to accept whatever slings and arrows come with that.

Of course, I am very confident that a private Catholic high school in Kentucky is filled with deplorables and/or deplorable wannabes, perhaps via osmosis from their parents, teachers, community leaders, etc.

Right. Its no different than wearing the rebel flag or the swastika. It means something, like it or not.

He hasn't rectified anything (in fact he has made things worse). However, there are segments of society who have not at all benefitted from increased global trade economically. So, uninformed or not, they believe that his more closed trade policies may help them long term.

Look, i am not defending anyone who voted for Trump. He is an embarrassment and has been bad since Day 1. All I was pointing out is that judging anyone based on anything than their actual character is probably wrong in 99% of cases. And you can't know someone's actual character just because the choose to wear or not wear some stupid hat.

At least for me the whole point of outrage at that image of the kid smirking at a tribal elder was never about outrage at the kid himself. It was outrage at Trump and the right-wing media machine for making racism cool again (in so many words).

Same as when those kids were chanting "Build The Wall!" in their HS cafeteria before the election. I wasn't mad at the kids. I was mad at Trump.

High school kids are always going to be jerks and latch onto cruel memes and behaviors. But **** Trump and right-wing media to holy hell for planting the seed, then amplifying and validating the behavior.

I barely had a moral compass at that age. If a big chunk of kids in my HS were doing something abhorrent, I'd like to think I'd rebel. But I also know it's likely I'd just go along with it.

I think the left gets sucked into a debate about attacking the kid personally, like he's just an irredeemable adult ******* in a vacuum. When I doubt that's really what's going through a lot of the left's minds.

Fair enough and I would completely agree for all adults. But 16-18 year old kids? Not sure about you, but I am positive that there are some things I did/wore/thought that my now 50 year old self is ashamed of. I just happened to not grow up in an era where everything can be instantly broadcasted on the internet and new pariahs are anointed daily based on what is likely a snap shot. Frankly, I pity this generation because of that....they aren't allowed to make mistakes and mature over time as social media as a vehicle does not let that happen. It is chew them up/spit them out and move on to the next Meme.

I understand your point but on the whole I think society and the kids themselves will be much better off if we continue to tamp down (with heavy doses of education and awareness) on misdeeds, be they on social networks or in real life.

The argument that things were better in the old days before the internet cast unwarranted amounts of shame on misbehaving kids is largely specious and self-serving.

And I speak as a parent of teenagers.

I don't have kids so maybe I shouldn't comment. But I am not sure I agree. Part of maturing (IMO) is making mistakes and being able to think about them and talk about them with adults (parents or other) in a constructive manner so that you can learn from them and strive to do better next time. From what I can tell, mistakes are never treated constructively when the interwebs are involved, and therefore cause either unnecessary/unwarranted anguish or complete entrenchment as a defender of the mistake. I just don't think either of those positions is ideal for young people.

That's a lot of words to say "economic anxiety".

I generally agree with all of this. Subtlety and nuance are virtually impossible in today's short-attention-span internet-driven America. (It need not be stated that the internet has been a huge benefit to American society and kids especially.)

The fact that some white kids wearing MAGA hats at the Lincoln Memorial may have received an over-the-top response from that incident is far, far, far, far, far down the list of things that I will expend my time and energy on in the era of President Trump.

True. I have never been accused of brevity.

Not sure if this goes here or Obamacare thread, but this story is kind of gut-wrenching and it's bizarre to me that WaPo is covering in a "mugshot at top of article" kind of style:

Indiana school superintendent charged with felony insurance fraud for trying to get student medical help by passing him off as her son

Thankfully she is being put into pretrial diversion or something so this likely won't **** up her whole life (I wonder if such an option would be made available if she was a person of color)

The question is at what age do they get a pass.

Obviously kids to a certain age are heavily influenced by their parents and community and will basically act as they've been taught. It seems pretty clear these kids are mimicking the behaviour of their community. A rebuke of the kids is very much a rebuke of their parents, Covington, Kentucky, etc. which is important, though the kids themselves are less culpable.

The kids know exactly what they're doing. If you could look up their habits online and especially in places like XBL/Playstation live, what do you expect to see?

This piece has aged extraordinarily well and is probably one of the most important pieces of the last decade:
https://deadspin.com/the-future-of-t...rga-1646145844

I agree.

Where they live that's how the adults act. Their school bused them over there.

I'd argue the high school they go to makes them dumber.

Looks like the "patron" is "Age-Friendly Novato", aka a bunch of ****ing old people

WOAT

(I used to work in that city, it's like 30 mins north of SF)

Wearing a Trump hat? That’s not exactly pro-life, says Catholic Bishop John Stowe

Without engaging the discussion about the context of the viral video or placing the blame entirely on these adolescents, it astonishes me that any students participating in a pro-life activity on behalf of their school and their Catholic faith could be wearing apparel sporting the slogans of a president who denigrates the lives of immigrants, refugees and people from countries that he describes with indecent words and haphazardly endangers with life-threatening policies.

I’m not familiar with the Catholic Church hierarchy, are catholic schools “owned” by the Catholic Church? Like, can the cardinal in Kentucky sanction C0.vington?

Cardinal doesn't fit into the hierarchy in the way you're suggesting. Cardinals elect the Pope and have a hand in the governance of the Holy See. C0.vington is under the theological purview of the Diocese of C0.vington. The Bishop of C0.vington is Roger Foys. Not sure about ownership, I would guess the school would be owned by a trust or something, but in practice the local diocese would have a lot of say about what happens with it.