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07-08-2015 , 05:13 PM

#1676

hornbug

grinder

Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 657

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALLTheCookies

I can't believe the party of Lincoln would go along with something as audacious as removing the confederate flag from federal cemeteries.

Lincoln had the band play Dixie at the end of the war, wasn't the vindictive type.

07-08-2015 , 05:28 PM

#1677

Huehuecoyotl

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 29,320

We all have our faults

07-08-2015 , 08:35 PM

#1678

Turn Prophet

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11,558

Quote:

Originally Posted by hornbug

Lincoln had the band play Dixie at the end of the war, wasn't the vindictive type.

The spirit of reconciliation was understandable at the end of the war. In 2015, when we have the retrospect of Lincoln's assassination, the 12-year insurgency waged by white supremacists in the South, the disenfranchisement of freedmen by "Redeemer" governments, another 70 years of Jim Crow, lynchings, resistance to school integration and civil rights... I think we can dispense with the romanticism around the Confederacy and its successor terrorists.

07-08-2015 , 09:18 PM

#1679

BrianTheMick2

Long way to go and a short time to get there.

Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 19,444

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl

Oh well.

You were hoping that it would be controversial?

Sometimes we do ok.

07-08-2015 , 11:06 PM

#1680

heehaww

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 5,090

What about the actual Confederate flags as opposed to the battle flag? Are they allowed on gravestones? And what about Nazi flags?

07-09-2015 , 02:01 AM

#1681

seattlelou

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Looks like the SC House passed the bill and the flag and pole are coming down. I hope the removal of the flag isn't a big media/political photo op event. Have the regular maintenance guy pull it down like a dead tree.

07-09-2015 , 02:23 AM

#1682

[Phill]

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Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 52,717

Just get the black chick back and let her do it. Give her a zippo too.

07-09-2015 , 04:39 AM

#1683

goofyballer

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SC House votes 94-20 to take down the flag.

07-09-2015 , 07:37 AM

#1684

zikzak

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 22,198

lol Dylan Roof. gj, clown.

07-09-2015 , 07:44 AM

#1685

champstark

aka starkwired

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 14,838

Quote:

Originally Posted by heehaww

What about the actual Confederate flags as opposed to the battle flag? Are they allowed on gravestones? And what about Nazi flags?

you can put pretty much whatever the **** you want on your gravestone bro

07-09-2015 , 08:54 AM

#1686

heehaww

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 5,090

Quote:

Originally Posted by champstark

you can put pretty much whatever the **** you want on your gravestone bro

I missed the word "national" in hornbug's post. The new ban will only apply to national cemeteries.

07-09-2015 , 11:58 AM

#1687

Low Key

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 33,327

Mister Madame governor, tear down that flag

07-09-2015 , 01:34 PM

#1688

Oroku$aki

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 7,063

Quote:

Originally Posted by Money2Burn

I've never really understood this criticism. Some insecure mouth-breather at my law school always brings it up like it means something. You won't say X mean thing, irl! I guess the implication is that is because we are afraid of being physically assaulted, or can't back up our talk in the event that our opponent decides to attack us physically. Ok, yeah, you're right, I'm a lot more careful about how I criticize mouthbreathing idiots in real life because they tend to carry weapons, be extremely insecure, and may be prone to violence when ther feelings get hurt and can't use their words to defend their views. So what? You think that is a point against us? It says more about you that you think verbal abuse should be greeted with physical violence.

Ya, "don't have the stones to say that irl" (because some(?) recipients of said words would physically attack or intimidate the speaker) isn't a strong point.

07-09-2015 , 05:28 PM

#1689

ALLTheCookies

half a brain

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 23,373

Quote:

Originally Posted by heehaww

I missed the word "national" in hornbug's post. The new ban will only apply to national cemeteries.

Republicans are having second thoughts.

Republicans to Vote on Allowing Display of Confederate Flag

Quote:

In a rapid and dramatic policy shift, Confederate flag imagery could be allowed to remain displayed on graves on federal land in some circumstances under a Republican-sponsored amendment that will be voted on in the House on Thursday.

Quote:

The Republican amendment would effectively undo two of Democratic amendments adopted on the floor Wednesday; no members spoke in opposition at the time. Those amendments would block funding from being used to decorate a grave in a federal cemetery with the flag and bar the National Park Service from using funds to contract with gift shops that sell merchandise with Confederate flag imagery.

07-09-2015 , 06:31 PM

#1690

Hamish McBagpipe

veteran

Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,502

10 minutes later, after realizing what he had done Rep. Ken Calvert (R-CA) grovels, "Leadership made me do it."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...nfederate-flag

This guy is a piece of work.

Whoremonger. http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...rt-prostitute/

Shady land deals. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howie-..._b_327679.html

07-09-2015 , 06:35 PM

#1691

ALLTheCookies

half a brain

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 23,373

Quote:

But a year later, a court order forced the release of the police report, which revealed how Calvert was clearly caught in the act and attempted to run from the police.

He's still alive?

07-09-2015 , 10:40 PM

#1692

suzzer99

Save the Cheerleader, Save the World

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 100,714

If these idiots hadn't let the flag be displayed at official government locations all these years, no one would give a crap about a few cemeteries and random monuments.

07-09-2015 , 11:22 PM

#1693

Low Key

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 33,327

Conservatives' own hubris is always their downfall

07-10-2015 , 10:12 AM

#1694

anatta

diamond sharp wisdom

Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 35,729

they took it down. thats that.

07-10-2015 , 10:25 AM

#1695

LetsGambool

banned

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 26,568

lol hornbug, I read your link, this is not the sweeping policy change you portray it to be, turns out you couldn't really permanently display a traitorous flag on your gravestone in a national cemetery anyways.

Quote:

Rep. Jared Huffman's (D-Calif.) amendment to the 2016 Interior Department spending bill seeks to end a policy that allows a temporary display of the flag in cemeteries under the jurisdiction of the National Park Service. It sailed through on a voice vote after minimal discussion on the House floor that encountered no opposition.

The final vote on the Interior bill is expected on Thursday.
National Park Service Director Jonathan Jarvis issued a directive in 2010 that allows national cemeteries that commemorate a designated Confederate Memorial Day to decorate the graves of Civil War veterans with small Confederate flags. The directive states that decorative flags must be removed "as soon as possible" once the Confederate Memorial Day is over.