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The Tragic Shooting of 9 People at a Charleston Church The Tragic Shooting of 9 People at a Charleston Church

06-20-2015 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 2/325Falcon
Definitely rustled by this kind of identity politics. Can't stand Tea Party idiots doing it and can't stand when Dvaut et al pull the same ****. The political process has to be about being able to compromise over disagreements. If everyone on the opposite side of the aisle is your enemy there can be no compromise. Dylann Roof has absolutely nothing to do with the GOP. Trying to paint the left as the good guys and the right as all a bunch of cartoony evil racists rustles the hell out of my jimmies when the guy a heartbeat away from being POTUS right now is the anti-busing Senator from the 70s who 35 years later is still calling Obama "the first sort of mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and nice-looking guy." But he's flipped his race-baiting to telling black folks Mitler is going to "put y'all back in chains" and there's a (D) after his name so his sins can be washed away. GMAFB.
No. The GOP panders to racists. That includes Roof. You can say that not every Republican is racist, and I won't disagree. But to pretend that Roof and his ilk have "absolutely nothing to do" with the GOP is ridiculous.
06-20-2015 , 10:35 PM
Yes but as ike expertly pointed out, a few nut jobs being driven to mass murder is a small price to pay. You have to consider all the good that pandering to racists accomplishes in terms of stopping Obama from doing stuff like giving people healthcare. Think of the millions of racists that drudge energizes to get out to vote who don't murder people!
06-20-2015 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
When will moderate republicans condemn the terrorists? Why do they refuse to reject the extreme hate preachers in their midst?
Even the white supremacists groups are condemning this nutcase. Shooting up churches is bad form to almost everyone.

But I find it odd that the left thinks reading right of center things is responsible for this, but violent movies and games has no effect on anyone.
06-20-2015 , 11:28 PM
A childhood that included many hours playing Frogger is the primary reason I am so critical of our automobile-centered society. Video games shaped my world view.
06-20-2015 , 11:30 PM
Fly posted a link to his earlier chain of tweets, but there's another good one from tonight that starts here:

https://twitter.com/HeerJeet/status/612425155248291840

ending with what should be obvious to all:

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@HeerJeet
33. Crucial take-away is that any grappling with problem has to focus not just on Roof's psychology but on culture that created Roof.
06-20-2015 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
A childhood that included many hours playing Frogger is the primary reason I am so critical of our automobile-centered society. Video games shaped my world view.
Logging too?

Edit: wait, you like logging. How else can you cross the river.
06-20-2015 , 11:43 PM
I never made it to the logs.

Cars, man. ****ing cars.
06-21-2015 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Apparently the uncle of the shooter saw his face on TV and contacted police with info that led to his capture. So there are at least some people in the family who arent white supremacists.
80% of white supremacists are disgusted by the shooting.
06-21-2015 , 01:29 AM
Disgusted is one thing, disgusted enough to turn in a family member is another.
06-21-2015 , 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 2/325Falcon
The Republican governor of SC goes on TV and is literally crying over this, but we get the leftie clown show in here all hurrrrrrrrrrrr (R)'s love this hurrrrrr climate change hurrrrrrrrrr.

Nikki Haley also previously said that there was no need to remove the Confederate flag from the Statehouse ground because the CEOs she was trying to get to open up new businesses in the state didn't tell her it was a problem, so, her willingness to execute this shooter doesn't exactly make her some great anti-racist crusader, either...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewir...rate-flag-ceos
06-21-2015 , 02:23 AM
What do you all think of his thoughts from the manifesto?
06-21-2015 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bigpotpoker
What do you all think of his thoughts from the manifesto?
Could not locate anything within it that I would say rose to the level of a "thought".

Disappointing, because I often find these manifestos interesting. Even if the people writing them are lunatics they've often spent years thinking about the contents. This one though was just racist babble regurgitated from StormFront.
06-21-2015 , 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Could not locate anything within it that I would say rose to the level of a "thought".

Disappointing, because I often find these manifestos interesting. Even if the people writing them are lunatics they've often spent years thinking about the contents. This one though was just racist babble regurgitated from Fox and friends.
FYP
06-21-2015 , 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ElliotR
No. The GOP panders to racists. That includes Roof. You can say that not every Republican is racist, and I won't disagree. But to pretend that Roof and his ilk have "absolutely nothing to do" with the GOP is ridiculous.
The most prominent racist member of the GOP is? Do the Dems appeal to any racists?

Farrakhan
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For over 30 years, Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of Islam (NOI), has marked himself as a notable figure on the extremist scene, verbally attacking Jews, white people and the LGBT community.
Just one example. Claims in this thread that Dems don't do any pandering to fringe racist groups is ridiculous. To preempt the inevitable show a post where it was claimed that Dems don't pander to racist fringe groups, when you make a blanket condemnation of a political party for taking the low road you are stating that the party you support never takes the low road.

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06-21-2015 , 08:42 AM
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The Democratic Party denounced Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan today for suggesting vice presidential candidate Joseph Lieberman, an Orthodox Jew, may be more loyal to Israel than to the United States.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=123159

Does "denounce" mean something else in your world?
06-21-2015 , 08:44 AM
Hannity is the most influential racist in the GOP machine that anyone knows of, Sheldon Addelson is definitely racist against Palestinians too, Trump is clearly racist but it's hard to argue he has real influence or power.

Its hard to pick a high up racist republican politician because to get high up you need to hide the racism. Frothy accidentally calling Obama a ******, but most racism is shrouded in not subtle code about welfare and thugs.

If we can open the door to dog whistles then just name a guy. They are not even subtle about pandering to racists even if they may not be expressly racist.
06-21-2015 , 08:53 AM
Ted Bundy killing all those girls was caused by pornography.
06-21-2015 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
80% of white supremacists are disgusted by the shooting.
Makes me wonder whether they would have been as disgusted if he'd chosen a welfare office rather than a church.
06-21-2015 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
And moderate Muslims always condemn terrorists, but it's never enough to you conservatives.

That's the point dummy.
Amazing. That indeed, is the point phill. Now think real hard about how this applies to you right now

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06-21-2015 , 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by sweep single
Ted Bundy killing all those girls was caused by pornography.
columbine was caused by marilyn manson and video games.

that's how dumb liberals itt are right now.
06-21-2015 , 10:48 AM
I can't believe I'm going to jump into this, but there is a pretty obvious difference between Islam and Right wing rhetoric. Afaik, regular, i.e. Nonradical, Islam doesn't promote violence against nonmuslims, or even employ rhetoric that while ostensibly benign, taps into anti-western sentiments that a depraved mind could latch onto to justify mass violence. The few Muslim friends that I've spoken with about it say that the opposite is true, and the religious leaders in the churches they attend, if and when they address the controversial passages of the Koran, take time to explain the context and that it is not advocating violence.

Contrats that with the rhetoric we see from mainstream "respected" right wing political figures and pundits. Bill O, on one of the highest rated cable news programs, has said that it's right to be suspicious of black people that you encounter on the street. Virtually no one on the right vocalized disagreement. Why? Because they use that narrative to get votes and make millions off book sales.
06-21-2015 , 10:59 AM
Republicans don't promote violence against blacks either... and benign rhetoric that could someone latch on to justify mass violence is exactly what goes on in both groups. And like you said, it's ****ing benign.
06-21-2015 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Money2Burn
I can't believe I'm going to jump into this, but there is a pretty obvious difference between Islam and Right wing rhetoric. Afaik, regular, i.e. Nonradical, Islam doesn't promote violence against nonmuslims, or even employ rhetoric that while ostensibly benign, taps into anti-western sentiments that a depraved mind could latch onto to justify mass violence. The few Muslim friends that I've spoken with about it say that the opposite is true, and the religious leaders in the churches they attend, if and when they address the controversial passages of the Koran, take time to explain the context and that it is not advocating violence.

Contrats that with the rhetoric we see from mainstream "respected" right wing political figures and pundits. Bill O, on one of the highest rated cable news programs, has said that it's right to be suspicious of black people that you encounter on the street. Virtually no one on the right vocalized disagreement. Why? Because they use that narrative to get votes and make millions off book sales.
Right wingers can talk about the likely need for violent rebellion and get nothing but approving nods.
06-21-2015 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by LASJayhawk
Even the white supremacists groups are condemning this nutcase. Shooting up churches is bad form to almost everyone.

But I find it odd that the left thinks reading right of center things is responsible for this, but violent movies and games has no effect on anyone.
Did this kid even play video games?
06-21-2015 , 11:07 AM
Does facts like that matter? Don't seem to matter anywhere else?

      
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