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The Tragic Death of Trayvon Martin: George Zimmerman, Responsible Gun Owner The Tragic Death of Trayvon Martin: George Zimmerman, Responsible Gun Owner

07-14-2013 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
Fareed Zakaria is more of a freelancer but he's one of the best spoken and insightful analyst of issues in America. His piece on American education in particular was very impressive to me.
plagiarism, tho
07-14-2013 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Wow there is a good legal analyst on MSNBC at the moment.
Yeah, surprised they put on 2 people at once to basically say the prosecution had no chance of getting a conviction and the defense was actually the side to present all the evidence in the case.
07-14-2013 , 12:51 PM
07-14-2013 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Please explain Obama's irresponsibility and how he made the case about race.
He should have stopped at my heart goes out to the families and he'd let the legal process play out. The whole if i had a son bit was unnecessary and he should have known better.
07-14-2013 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
He should have stopped at my heart goes out to the families and he'd let the legal process play out. The whole if i had a son bit was unnecessary and he should have known better.
...because...that might have reminded people that he was black? How dare he!
07-14-2013 , 12:53 PM
The President isn't allowed to express personal sadness for the death of a teenager? That makes it about race?
07-14-2013 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
...because...that might have reminded people that he was black? How dare he!
Uh, yeah. He hasn't hesitated to use his race to win elections. He should have known the effects of such a statement, no matter how heartfelt it was.
07-14-2013 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
Uh, yeah. He hasn't hesitated to use his race to win elections.
Yeah, I'm going to need an example of this.
07-14-2013 , 12:56 PM
Does Obama make any further comment now that the case is over? Should he?
07-14-2013 , 12:57 PM
Wow, Newt Gingrich spewing truth. Never thought I'd say that.
07-14-2013 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
Uh, yeah. He hasn't hesitated to use his race to win elections. He should have known the effects of such a statement, no matter how heartfelt it was.
of course, because he's only 1/2 Black means he's full Black.

Good thing Whites don't use race to win elections...(or pass legislation). But that's somehow different.

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07-14-2013 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Yeah, I'm going to need an example of this.
See spending patterns in 2012 election, or his campaign literature
07-14-2013 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakinmecrzy
In my world, the defense would have to prove that GZ's life was actually in danger.
Lol will your world have an official number of times head must hit concrete before you are allowed to fear death or brain injury?

I personally know a guy who got involved in a road rage dispute. Guy punched him once in the face, he fell backwards, hit his head on the blacktop, and died. One punch, one contact with the cement. Many other similar stories I am sure.

Yet you somehow want to be the arbiter of when someone's life is actually in danger.
07-14-2013 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
Uh, yeah. He hasn't hesitated to use his race to win elections. He should have known the effects of such a statement, no matter how heartfelt it was.
What effects? Pissing off racists and right wing radio morons?
07-14-2013 , 01:05 PM
Just now reading about the TM text messages.

They show that it's far more likely that TM started the fight. He was an experienced fighter who fights on a regular basis. He talks about viciously beating people and his older brother wanted him to teach him how to fight.

How were these not admitted?
07-14-2013 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by JimAfternoon
Just now reading about the TM text messages.

They show that it's far more likely that TM started the fight. He was an experienced fighter who fights on a regular basis. He talks about viciously beating people and his older brother wanted him to teach him how to fight.

How were these not admitted?
lol
07-14-2013 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
What effects? Pissing off racists and right wing radio morons?
it reminds people how oppressed White people are.

b
07-14-2013 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by grizy
See spending patterns in 2012 election, or his campaign literature
I meant specific examples. I mean, some of his campaign literature does show a black guy. Is that all you mean?
07-14-2013 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakinmecrzy
In my world, the defense would have to prove that GZ's life was actually in danger. I don't believe it was. I believe he was getting his ass kicked, freaked out, and shot TM. That's all. A confrontation that was caused by his idiotic behavior. TM may have been culpable (if GZ's story is correct), but he is a ****ing child. Of course children are going to do idiotic things. I'd expect a man in his late 20's that rides around with a ****ing loaded weapon to have a little more common sense than that.
to clarify this, right now he needs to have a reasonable belief that he is at risk of serious injury, even if he's wrong about his belief. so you're saying he did not have this reasonable belief, or you're saying that you think this standard is too low? if you don't think that he had a reasonable fear of serious bodily injury -

-this is an individual he does not know, who he suspects may be prowling, then this person began to assault him
-he was mounted, taking blows for 40+ seconds
-during this time he was screaming for help repeatedly and desperately
-someone came out and told trayvon to stop because the police were coming and he did not
-trayvon possibly saw his gun, told him he was going to die, struggled for gun

let's take this for a given for the time being. do you find that, given this situation, it is not reasonable to fear serious bodily harm? if not, what more do you think needed to happen?
07-14-2013 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by JimAfternoon
Just now reading about the TM text messages.

They show that it's far more likely that TM started the fight. He was an experienced fighter who fights on a regular basis. He talks about viciously beating people and his older brother wanted him to teach him how to fight.

How were these not admitted?
A 7 year old could have hacked his two passwords and sent those texts, ldo.

Not sure how they show he's so much more likely to start the fight. That's speculation. Perhaps at most they suggest that someone in a fight with TM could have reasonably feared great bodily harm.
07-14-2013 , 01:11 PM
I,for one, would like to see Obama's sober assessment of the evidence and what he would deem a proper verdict.

As a lame duck his courage should be bolstered.
07-14-2013 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by wahoo3
to clarify this, right now he needs to have a reasonable belief that he is at risk of serious injury, even if he's wrong about his belief. so you're saying he did not have this reasonable belief, or you're saying that you think this standard is too low? if you don't think that he had a reasonable fear of serious bodily injury -

-this is an individual he does not know, who he suspects may be prowling, then this person began to assault him
-he was mounted, taking blows for 40+ seconds
-during this time he was screaming for help repeatedly and desperately
-someone came out and told trayvon to stop because the police were coming and he did not
-trayvon possibly saw his gun, told him he was going to die, struggled for gun

let's take this for a given for the time being. do you find that, given this situation, it is not reasonable to fear serious bodily harm? if not, what more do you think needed to happen?
I think the standard is way too low. In other states, this case wouldn't have gone down like this.
07-14-2013 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by JimAfternoon
Just now reading about the TM text messages.

They show that it's far more likely that TM started the fight. He was an experienced fighter who fights on a regular basis. He talks about viciously beating people and his older brother wanted him to teach him how to fight.

How were these not admitted?
Please, please tell me you aren't a judge.
07-14-2013 , 01:13 PM
Open Season On Black Boys After A Verdict Like This

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...k-boys-verdict

lol just terrible
07-14-2013 , 01:14 PM
It's fairly amazing how much sympathy such a massive ******* as TM has engendered.

      
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