Wow, you sure trapped me bro! I've changed my mind. WHAT COULD THIS GUY BE DOING OTHER THAN CASING HOUSES??!!!!!

Everyone knows how fleet-footed the Blacks are. Obviously the slow ones are suspicious.

Question,

What percentage of people in GZ's shoes would call the police if they saw Trayvan walking around in the rain at night?

You mean if you saw him casing houses right? :-P

So that's why Zim called him a suspect. Jeez a 17 year old outside between 7:00 and 7:30 PM minding his own business on a public street sure is fishy.

One failure on MOM's part, I think, was not to get a little more into the "what if you do think, beyond a reasonable doubt, that GZ must have followed TM south of the T intersection, what if you think GZ did say what Jeantel said he said, what if you think GZ was totally reckless to get out of his vehicle in the first place," etc. He really needed to make the point that all of that is entirely irrelevant, unless you think the prosecution has shown beyond a reasonable doubt that GZ initiated the physical aggression.

What MOM did was to spend most of his time arguing that he could show, beyond a reasonable doubt, that GZ had acted in self-defense. I think that was a mistake.

I mean good lord, you guys on Team Zimmerman are WINNING this thing. There are legitimate reasons to find him not guilty here, you don't have to go into full "black kid at night, obviously he was robbing houses!" mode. You guys can pull this off without looking like enormous racists.

Does anyone else think this case might turn on the jury instruction regarding justifiable use of lethal force? Yes I know that is a random and unrelated question to the current argument but I am curious.

It's pretty obvious you're losing when you have to distort other people's position this badly.

Being honest I'm having a very tough time drawing any hard conclusions about what actually took place in the parts that matter. I see discussions about what kind of person TM may or may not have been, same with GZ.

I just don't see anything that definitively proves how TM was acting beforehand, how it appeared to GZ, what GZs intentions actually were, or (most importantly) how exactly the physical altercation itself went down. The scenarios given by both the prosecution and the defense sound plausible. Maybe TM sees the gun, backs off, and GZ shoots him anyway. Maybe TM never sees the gun at all.

There's way too much weight going into their personalities which may not have been that huge a factor once the confrontation started. There's conflicting evidence with both of their personalities if you read the background information on GZ, and TM may well have been a generally good kid trying too hard to look like a badass to his friends at school. Not the type of things I want to depend on to infer events.

False.

That's hardly sporting

interesting tactic to claim that the pummelling of GZ was insignificant while at the same time using the lauer 911 call as a key piece of evidence, which was placed before the gunshot and shows how frightened the neighbors were due to the sounds they were hearing before the gunshot went off.

Yea what the hell. I'm starting to think I enjoy life too much and I'm not paranoid enough.

Nature is racist

This is not even the most interesting part. He actually held up the picture defense used with all the blood on the back of Zimemrman's head before pivoting to the cleaned up picture, after the blood was wiped away.

I went, huh, what the F are you doing?

how do we know you didn't rob a 7-11 that night, ikes? WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE?

Wookie, slinks away from riot racism accusations, keeps slinging that mud.

A lot of racists ITT.

I'm demanding someone proves what they're claiming, and your example is exceptionally poor. We have video of him the whole time at 711.

And that demand is, in and of itself, already more proof than it took for you to assume the correctness of GZ's entire story. Just as disgraceful as it was an hour ago.

All evidence corroborates GZ's story = ikes believes GZ's story in its entirety

All evidence cuts against TM casing houses = YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING!!

This all women jury is starting to bother me. It seems like their could be some weird motherly group-think going on.

Yeah, there are, it's pretty sad. You know what I think might be a good idea? Ridiculing them for how racist and stupid they are. So far it hasn't worked but I'm optimistic.

To be fair,

Some of the posters itt have made really stupid comments pertaining to race in recent thread history.

Yes, also it was a Sunday, all the residents are at home. Who robs houses at 7pm? We have all seen HEAT. You go in blazing in the light of day or at 3am with night vision.