How so? What is the expert for the prosecution going to say?

Unless I'm missing something, the evidence of that GZ had a broken nose and TM had cuts on his knuckles only helps the defense.

Your point is that I can't comprehend your point? I give up. You win.

They can argue the degree and severity of the wounds and what that implies about the fight.

GZ being barely hurt harms his case a lot. We always knew he got hit a couple times but he only had a busted nose and abrasions on the back of his head which brings into question of whether it was reasonable he feared for his life which is the key question to justify lethal force.

Trayvon not being injured other than knuckle abrasions and the bullet hole means that GZ never attempted to fight back in any way that didnt include just pulling his gun and firing which looks really bad too.

If his story was like people in this thread spun it that he told cops he was "getting his head smashed against concrete" then his entire story is brought into question due to how minor he was hurt.

Its also telling that the defence wants to keep some evidence hidden from public examination. I mean it doesn't confirm that he is guilty but it does confirm there is evidence there that really damages his case. The witness statement of "John" should be the most significant piece of evidence we could see at this point, if "John" doesnt back up GZ's case then he is screwed and should take a plea deal.

Elaborate for us, then?

The rain is a metaphor, one drop of rain is enough to be suspicious.

The prosecutions case doesn't rely on Zimmerman's severity of injuries. They seem to be claiming that GZ provoked the fight, so TM's death is due to his action and self defense doesn't apply.

The whole, 'but he wasn't hurt bad' argument was always ******ed anyways. The right to self defense doesn't magically come in after you get a concussion, it happens when you think there's a credible threat to your life.

Although the recent release of evidence debunks the thought of the fight not actually happening, which was in vogue for awhile around these parts.

Could be TM was defending himself.

I like how punching someone in self defense is thrown by the wayside while shooting someone in self defense is A-ok.

It's been covered earlier, but it's still kind of absurd.

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Sure, it is possible that TM threw the punches in self-defense. However, the injuries are consistent with GZ's story, which is a big boost for his defense. He doesn't have to show that it was probably self-defense, just that his story is possible and creates reasonable doubt to the prosecutions claim.

For the past month, team TM has been touting GZ's lack of injuries claiming that there was no way he had a broken nose - now we have definitive evidence that he had serious injuries (and lol at anyone claiming that a broken nose is not a serious injury).

Also, people kept pointing to the statement from the funeral director that TM lacked any injuries other than the gunshot claiming this cast doubt on GZ's story. We now know that the director was wrong.

The injury report is not a slam dunk, but it makes the prosecutions case much harder (especially the lack of injuries to TM other than his hand which pretty much establish that TM was dominating the fight).

Read this.

http://www.dominionofnewyork.com/201.../#.T7BvGVJn1K0

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Interesting. Based on the article the guy should be in custody.

But it doesn't refute QA's statement.

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This thread is so dumb

Well there is no way to refute something, when someone is saying it wouldn't of happened had it been this way. Obv there is no way of knowing for sure. Personally I think if TM was white and GZ was black GZ would still be free. I think all the attention from the media caused the state to finally file charges... Only time will tell if that was a good thing.

And you were the one talking about verification bias? You might want to wiki blind spot bias.

No, you said it was 100% coons then it was 100% cold. Not sure what it 100% is now, iyo.


Z claims he said "punks" afaik.

The second filter was applied by some guy who works at CNN, so I doubt he knows exactly what he's doing.

This thread is comedy gold, esp now that Team Zim is reaching for straws. Walking in the rain is suspicious? lol.

Has anyone read the arrest affidavit? Even the state is saying Zimmerman said "f****** Punks"


http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11868163...-April-12-2012

Have you listened to the recording?

So you believe that the prosecution lied in their affidavit? I'm sure they had their audio experts analyze this and wouldn't put in a statement which hurts their case unless they were confident it was true.

Regardless, at this point, it doesn't matter what GZ actually said. At trial, the prosecution will only be able to claim that he said punks and not goons (note that they didn't even put any caveats in the affidavit).

I doubt they did any audio analysis. This is an unimportant part of the criminal case, so my guess is they don't care and just take Z's word on the point. The feds might look more closely at it for the hate crime case.

However, if you don't believe he said it, fine. I'll note that even his friends came out and said they thought he said "goons." Z is still an obvious bigot based on his comments about Mexicans and calling 911 on someone having a black friend over to their house.

You wouldn't be so non chalant if it were raining.

Lol.

No it really doesn't.

Anyway, like I have posted many many times itt, having your head banged on the ground (not concrete, although it might feel like it) would certainly have you fearing for you life.