The Tragic Death of the Democratic Party - Page 73 - Politics and Economics

Umm no.

Here are the facts, no mythology.

Hillary got 3 million more meaningless votes in a meaningless vote count called the popular vote. Trump won a legal election under the constitutionally mandated system by a large margin of electoral college votes (306 to 232). He did not choose the system.

To say he won on a technicality is arrant nonsense.

It isn't meaningless. It shows he has no mandate and a level of support that isn't widespread. It also shows that he only won because of where state lines are drawn. Yes, they were both playing by the same rules and the election was fairly decided, but this was not a good application of the a democratic process. Luzerne County (PA), Macomb County (MI), and a chunk of all-white western Wisconsin spoke for the entire country.

12-08-2016 , 11:01 PM

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GBV

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Originally Posted by loK2thabrain

The only thing I really "support" about Trump is that he shocked the system and beat a completely stacked deck.

This is a media narrative. It is false.

He is a billionaire. For as long as I can remember he has been the most recognizeable face in corporate america.

He was born into affluence.

One of his first actionsas president elect has been to put Goldman Sachs in charge of the country's finances.

Only in America could someone like this be described as an outsider.

12-08-2016 , 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

trumpblackcrimestatistics.png
Obama birth certificate shenanigans
Central Park 5
Mexican judge comments
Mexico sends us rapists
Banning Muslims from the US
Muslim registry
Obama is Muslim/Obama founded ISIS
Muslims celebrating 9/11 attacks
**** on the parents of a dead soldier because they're Muslim

lok:

get

the

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out

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here

addendum:

In The Good Ol' Days...

Trumpf to struggling white folk: bring back jerbs and win bigly!
Trumpf to struggling black folk: bring back stopNfrisk!

12-09-2016 , 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GBV

I believe demographically weighted surveys rather than random internet people.

careful, we all probably should have learned a lesson or two about that in the past year

with that said, lol internet randoms

12-09-2016 , 01:41 PM

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Riverman

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Lots of great, sincere suggestions for the Democrats in here! Thanks right-wingers!

12-09-2016 , 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Money2Burn

Does the auto industry bailout ring any bells?

you mean the one where he robbed bondholders of their money to protct the unions? please help me with your frayed logic?

12-09-2016 , 02:30 PM

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Only 153 more posts to go.

12-09-2016 , 02:45 PM

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you mean the one where he robbed bondholders of their money to protct the unions? please help me with your frayed logic?

Explain the bond market and how such a robbery occurred.

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12-09-2016 , 02:47 PM

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you mean the one where he robbed bondholders of their money to protct the unions? please help me with your frayed logic?

r/thathappened

12-09-2016 , 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb

The popular vote is meaningless because the numbers would have been different had the popular vote been used to decide the outcome of the election.

12-09-2016 , 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

The popular vote is meaningless

looooool

12-09-2016 , 03:46 PM

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For everyone saying Harry Reid was shortsighted in deploying the nuclear option for non-SCOTUS judicial nominations, he convincingly argues otherwise in a NYT op-ed saying farewell to the Senate:

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We declared that the changes should apply regardless of which party was in the White House, because fair votes are what democracy is all about. I doubt any of us envisioned Donald J. Trump’s becoming the first president to take office under the new rules. But what was fair for President Obama is fair for President Trump.

Moreover, the rule change has been a victory for those who want to see a functioning, open and transparent Senate. It allowed Mr. Obama’s judicial nominees to receive the just consideration they deserved. Without the rule change, Republicans would have been able to hold open three seats on our nation’s second highest court, the District of Columbia Circuit Court, until the next Republican administration. The judges we confirmed to those seats will loom large in the years to come. In 2014 alone, the Senate confirmed 89 Circuit and District Court judges, more than for any year in two decades.

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From George Washington to George W. Bush, only 68 presidential nominees had been filibustered. Senate Republicans took obstruction to a new level, filibustering 79 of Mr. Obama’s nominees in just four years. By removing such procedural ploys, the rule change puts the debate over nominees out in the open. Senators have to answer a simple question: Should a nominee be confirmed, or not? Nominees are now guaranteed a floor vote.

12-09-2016 , 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

looooool

Yeah, the truth is funny sometimes.

I agree.

12-09-2016 , 06:29 PM

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The truth that an individual's vote is less important than elector's? It's funny how Republicans and conservatives are supposed to be for individual rights. But the truth is you guys just don't give a **** if it serves your purpose.

12-09-2016 , 07:26 PM

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12-09-2016 , 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

The popular vote is meaningless because the numbers would have been different had the popular vote been used to decide the outcome of the election.

Entirely true. However, it's possible either party could've gained. The logical assumption is that Clinton still would've won via this method.

12-10-2016 , 08:15 PM

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12-10-2016 , 08:41 PM

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GBV

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Originally Posted by einbert

Clinton didn't ignore the working class but the article doesn't understand the problem: it didn't matter what she said, no one believed her because her husband and Obama said the same **** and didn't deliver. You really would have to be an idiot to believe yet another Democrat after decades of massive rises in inequality.

Sanders was up in the polls against Trump and almost certainly would have won: he did connect with the working class and there isn't a hint of racism about him. This seems like a "blame the voter" article. The voters deserve much of the blame for electing Trump: however the DNC is the primary problem. On this progressives and Republicans are in agreement.

12-10-2016 , 09:45 PM

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The logical assumption is that Clinton still would've won via this method.

And probably by more.

12-10-2016 , 09:50 PM

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spaceman Bryce

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Originally Posted by GBV

Well for starters Obama delivered pretty big on gay rights.

12-10-2016 , 09:58 PM

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By that same logic, wouldn't you have to really be an idiot to believe yet another Republican after decades of massive rises in inequality?

12-10-2016 , 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by spaceman Bryce

Well for starters Obama delivered pretty big on gay rights.

Gay rights has been on the rise the world over. It takes absolutely no courage to stand up for something where no powerful corporate lobby opposes you, the public supports you, and the only people who have a problem it with are ugly, stupid and unsympathetic.

In my country the conservatives were just crazy about gay marriage. The same thing happened in most of the civilized world. Obama did nothing but cash-in on that trend.

12-10-2016 , 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by einbert

By that same logic, wouldn't you have to really be an idiot to believe yet another Republican after decades of massive rises in inequality?

In most cases probably yes. There were some far left types who voted for Trump believing he will be so awful that he will bring about revolution. I wouldn't have done this personally on humanitarian grounds but I understand the logic.

I do believe that had Sanders got in then left-wing radicalism would be dead in the US for maybe sixty years. The radical left are far more concerned about progressivism than they are about the radical right, it is much harder to fight.

12-10-2016 , 10:12 PM

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It takes absolutely no courage to stand up for something where no powerful corporate lobby opposes you, the public supports you, and the only people who have a problem it with are ugly, stupid and unsympathetic.

Have you heard of Mike Pence? Man, I think that people really do believe progress can never be halted or pushed backwards. We are all in for a lot of cold water on our faces in the next few years/decades.