Well I'll be damned, Sanders is right.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...m-here-w452786

I think the Democratic Party will come back big in 2020 after the terrible senate races of 2018.

You actually think Maslow has the only theory you can use generally in that spot?

Human motivation, solved in 1943.

No I realize that, but I really don't think people are going to turn into wall-e slobs. I think we society is going to look a lot more positive once we start helping people.

Im not an expert. Lay some Douglas MacGregor on me please.

Lol please see my posts before there's a deja vu take 2 of this.

Is there not a dystopian possibility to robots.

Peons who need them?

Check out my luscious Earth park from my Mansion.

Wonder how conservatives will pivot towards this outcome whilst maintaining electability.

First they came for the muslims and I cheered

Then they came for the blacks and I shrugged and nodded

Then they came for me and my collection of guns saved me from a tyranni .... hahaha no not really, I got massacred.

Is this kerfuffle straightened out?

I'm like 99.8% agreeing with you. The 0.2% is from not being certain Mazlow's hierarchy would be the best explanation, even though I am a fan of his Funky Triangle.

I didn't think you were attacking the point of, "We can't just give people money or they'll become lazy moochers," because nobody was saying that, and people don't even try to pull that bull**** argument here anymore.

What make this misunderstanding more ironic is I'm saying people will be fine without their busywork. The ditch digger will write the next Great American Novel and raise a child who will be the next Master Of Robots, god willing.

You have an absurd view of the history of humanity.

Helping people and long distance running. Those are basically the defining characteristics of the species yo.

If you were a union construction worker the work goes on. They usually rush to close up as much of the building as possible (so they can put some heat in it). Otherwise you overdress, freeze your butt off except during break and lunch time (you usually have a shanty with heat to huddle in and thaw out).

Yeah, being used, abused, exploited and chewed up, while expected to use and abuse my employees to an even greater degree, all in the service of unrealistic budgets and deadlines other people set is why I don't do commercial or production residential work anymore.

The classic rule in storytelling is "show, don't tell." Democrats need to do more of that. We often assume the people we are talking to know certain things or can make certain inferences and that hampers conversation. Of course, to assume they know nothing and appear condescending can be a problem as well. But we have to explain why something is racist and harmful, rather than just shouting "that's racist!" and then going straight to the nun from Game of Thrones to ring her bell and shout "Shame! Shame! Shame!"

Oh yeah of course the ditchdiggers will be just fine. Sorry I jumped in without catching up the preceding pages.

My use of the hierarchy is a little tongue in cheek because it's hard to argue with a ringwinger that welfare doesn't create moochers without an effective debate point. They need some familiar concept that shows there's a logical fallacy. It's not perfect, but it illustrates that what we think is important to a human being changes with quality of life, and the most general sense it changes for the better.

If you dislike the triangle for any reason, here's a link to theories X and Y, which are more about management style, but applicable in the sense of how to get people to start working. http://www.economist.com/node/12370445

Just wanted to put Austria on the map of another country another election (for president) where the centralist parties have been rejected.

Its a show down between a far right party and the green party, green party had actually won this but was over turned due to a technicality with the last vote, so a rerun is coming up soon.

If Austria takes a turn to the far right, probably no need to worry.

green party is boring centrist. but it's the same mistake as everywhere.

man these people really hate foreigners --> i bet it's time for a new socialist economic order.

it's not. these people are as reactionary as you can be.

It just seems what is happening is pretty whoosh for you.

The standard centrist left/right parties in Austria are not going to win.

This is a phenomenon happening in numerous polities across the globe.

I'm on board with this. I've advocated using terms like biased vs racist. It's a false equivalency to say joe six pack not being in favor of reparations is the same as organizing your local chapter of the klan

Dvaut,

Your back and forth with Phone Booth has been entertaining and educational. I mean that genuinely. But it raises a question for me. How do you square the following two ideas:

"Trump is so bad, so unique, such a one of a kind scumbag and terrible presidential candidate, that even if you dont like Hillary, even if you'd prefer Sanders, or Johnson, or Stein, you still need to vote for her in order to prevent Trump from threatening our way of life"

and

"Yeah I mean I want the Dems to win elections, but I dont wanna sacrifice any of our core principles in order to do that"

I initially thought PB was being harsh when he was criticizing you for not actually being willing to sacrifice anything, but put in this light...?

no i get what's going on. you dont want to face reality. there's a massive anti-establishment reaction against immigrants/refugees. that's fueling far right parties everywhere and pulling the centre along with it. they're typically a bit populist on economics and somehow you think it's going to usher in some great new economic paradigm. it's not. it's not what going on. they are boring reactionaries.

there's no corresponding movement towards the left other than a few southern european countries where where the centre-left had to make some terribly difficult choices is some terrible situations (something that's killing syriza too noe).

nobody would give a **** whether the greens or the social democrats won some inconsequential post in austria either.

wat?

so does the stolen $7 million go to her foreign accounts?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/03/politi...unt/index.html

Raised 7 mil, won't pay 1 mil, because recounting 6 mil votes should be free?

Penn is the only recount that matters if you wanted to change the election result, WI and MI aren't enough.

lol everybody.

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