I don't understand why you replaced my dismissive phrasing of MS-13 with the word "ads"(???) but still put the sentence in quotation marks. That's neither a quote nor a paraphrase.

But like, for ****'s sake, Northam's actual response was that HE'LL STOP THE MS-13 THREAT BY STOPPING SANCTUARY CITIES. And incredibly, trying to parse your Charlottesville/Lynchburg sentence, I think the underlying issue is pretty clearly that you personally believe that sanctuary cities DO attract MS-13 and the issue for Northam is how to phrase his response to that underlying reality without offending too many liberals.

Please rephrase this in English. This is America. Like you ask what triangulation spot you picked and then explained that triangulation on immigration is good in a state like Virginia.

You cannot simultaneously praise Northam's adroit triangulation on sanctuary cities while also denying that he did it.

RCP Average 10/26 - 11/3 -- -- 46.4 44.5 Northam +1.9
NY Times/Siena* 10/29 - 11/2 985 LV 3.0 43 40 Northam +3
Trafalgar Group (R)* 10/31 - 11/2 1200 LV 2.8 49 48 Northam +1
Rasmussen Reports* 10/31 - 11/3 875 LV 3.5 45 45 Tie
Gravis* 10/30 - 11/3 1143 RV 2.9 48 43 Northam +5
The Polling Company (R) 10/30 - 11/2 800 LV 3.5 43 46 Gillespie +3
Roanoke College* 10/29 - 11/2 781 LV 3.5 47 47 Tie
Suffolk* 10/30 - 11/1 500 LV 4.4 47 43 Northam +4
Washington Post* 10/26 - 10/29 921 LV 4.0 49 44 Northam +5

Apparently Latino Victory Fund released this ad and Republicans, backing the guy who ran ads about MS-13, got FURIOUS about it



I spotted it in this article which also mentioned that...
- Northam refused to disavow the ad (good for him!)
- the ad was pulled after two days because of the NYC truck attack
- this sentence is a thing: Gillespie appeared on “Fox and Friends” and called the ad “an attack on all Virginians.” (LOL)

I would stop MS-13 by legalizing drugs and establishing a reverse tariff on manufactured goods from El Salvador.

Feel free to write me in.

Oh and also regarding that ad, here's a Washington Post editorial on it: "An ad that had no place in Va.’s governor’s race"

lol if you want to know why Virginia is about to get handed to a dumb**** like Gillespie, look no further than one of the nation's largest newspapers pretending like we still live in a world of civility where that ad is just totally beyond the pale

I mean listen to this ****:

THEN WHY IS THIS ARTICLE A THING?

lol **** off

i meant to end the quote before "ads", i apologize. this election is swayed entirely by these very ads we are talking about. look a bit deeper into the poll numbers you cite and overlay them with WHEN THE ADS APPEARED.

i do not believe that, i lived in virginia as a woke liberal. but there are many people of virginia who believe that, and hear that dogwhistle from a mile away. what your answer is doing is bringing them to the polls by pickup truck.

mother****er, the republicans tried to triangulate Northam with a scummy question, and he tried to give the answer that there won't be a state-wide requirement that local police call ice, but at the same time he won't prevent local sheriffs do their sheriff stuff. because that's what the MS-13 issue is about here! i didn't try to triangulate someone else's position or mine for that matter.

like, who do you think is lying here? the lieutenant governor or the ****ing CHAIRMAN OF THE REDISTRICTING MAJORITY PROJECT?

Great ad. The only thing I dislike is that it makes the Confederate idiot look like a scary badass. I can see Trumpers fistpumping and cheering him on.

Bonus points for the "Don't Tread on Me" license plate, that's a subtle touch.

i think the takeaway here is lolBrazile. looks like it wasn't rigged, she was just concerned.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/05/politi...ged/index.html

I get that WaPo has done a lot of important journalism lately (and not so lately), but a lot of BS editorializng.

OK, and man, no. Northam's absolutely vanilla pointless campaign also happened over that same time period. Is there any reputable polling that shows Hillary voters are switching to Johnny ****ing Reb over MS-13?

But that aside... If that's true, what do you think brings them back?

Northam's "my opponent is right, MS-13 is a terrible threat and any sanctuary cities should be stopped from letting them do crimes"?

Or my "Enforcing immigration law and enforcing criminal law are two entirely different things, also MS-13 panic is bull**** and we should focus on X Y and Z"?

You have to offer a ****ing choice. Pick a position, articulate why it's the superior one.

And now, instead of that...


The MS-13 issue is about racial grievance, not ****ing police administrative procedure. Your horizons are still so blinkered you can't even get close to the correct position. Like at this point it's pretty clear you think McAullife's veto was bad, right? Then Northam probably shouldn't have said he'd do the same thing!


Who is lying about what? Like I said, you can't even comprehend the idea of actually having holding the principled position here, you think politics is about trying to trick racist people into voting for you or something.

But to answer your question. I think the person lying here is you. You're still dissembling about Northam's position, praising him for giving an answer that you were arguing he didn't give 5 posts ago.

Jesus you want a real neat little explanation for why the Democratic Party is so ****ed think about the narrative that sylar is volunteering here:

1) The GOP played dirty by being racist

2) Then they trapped Northam with a "scummy" question about whether he was also racist

3) Which left him with the only option to say "yes", that he was also racist. What was he supposed to do? Say "no"? You have no idea how to win statewide office, listen to the campaign of a guy who not only hasn't tied his opponent to Trump but has somehow also managed to avoid tying himself to the popular outgoing governor that he served under.

It's simply too perfect of an example of how the side with overwhelming popular support on a wide range of issues loses elections. They let the GOP pick the battle and then let the GOP pick the rules.

A ****ing protest over removing the statues KILLED A WOMAN in AUGUST OF THIS YEAR in the STATE THIS CAMPAIGN IS RUNNING IN and Northam is running ads about goddamn vocational training. Dems constantly assume the electorate is far more conservative than it is and then they work real hard to make their pessimism the reality.

Donna Brazile helping to spread Seth Rich conspiracy theories is so ****ing depressing. All the right wing morons are running with it.

If only there had been an ideological wing of the party that has hated her for being a craven incompetent for like 15 years.

for one thing, try not to motivate trumpkins to come to the polls and vote against you. and do try to motivate hillary voters to go ahead and put sanctuary laws on the books somewhere, so this is an actual issue, not a richmond politics hypothetical.

1) he didn't actually say that. here's what he said in the debate https://www.c-span.org/video/?434272...atorial-debate

"LT. GOV. NORTHAM: FROM THE START, WITH MS 13, IF A VIOLENT CRIME IS COMMITTED, THESE VIOLENT CRIMINALS NEED TO BE LOCKED UP. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEIR STATUS IS. REGARDING SANCTUARY CITIES, MR. GILLESPIE AGREED WITH ME, WE DON'T HAVE SANCTUARY CITIES IN THE COMMONWEALTH. IT IS A SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM, THE PIECE OF LEGISLATION THEY OFTEN REFER TO. WHAT WE DO NEED TO DO IS SUPPORT LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, SHERIFFS AND DEPUTIES, OUR STATE POLICE, OUR CITY AND ..."

"...REPUBLICAN VOTED IN FAVOR AND IT CREATED A TIE. I WAS PROUD TO BREAK THE TIE, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH SANCTUARY CITIES. THEN THEY RECONSIDER THE VOTE, WENT RIGHT BACK FIVE MINUTES LATER, AND CHANGED HIS VOTE. YOU PUT OUT A PRESS RELEASE FIVE OR 10 MINUTES LATER. IT ALMOST SEEMED TO ME THAT IT WAS A POLITICAL PLOY, ANOTHER GAME. THAT IS THE PROBLEM WITH POLITICS TODAY. GAMES LIKE THAT. HOLD ON --
MR. GILLESPIE: YOU ARE FOR CENTURY CITIES AND I AM AGAINST THEM.
LT. GOV. NORTHAM: A SOLUTION LOOKING FOR A PROBLEM. "

and 2) how many nelson country people do you know who have any knowledge of X, Y, and Z? how many would care if you explained it to them?

of course not! that's the principled stand, when it actually matters, vote against and veto this racist pos legislation. and then you hope to survive an election against the bigots who put that legislation in front of you and who are lying about it using millions of dollars in production value.

yes, that's gop politics at its best. also, probably the best explanation of how obama won the same counties that went for trump.

except i didn't, i saw plenty of commercials, and went out of my way to check the debate. ok bro, you are pretty far out there already. have fun supporting marxists or whatever.

on the one hand, need to win elections above all else. on the other hand, can't compromise principles, gotta talk about principles even when it hurts your chances, cause america is like that. thirdly, don't even talk to a deplorable, not like we need to win elections. story checks out.

let's go check what each candidate said about that.

i mean i don't know what's going in your world view, i agree with you on a lot, but right there you separate everyone into pure of heart and not. so yeah, i imagine you are disappointed in a lot of people who are actually on your side.

Uh, OK, and again you seem to have gotten confused in your fervor to contradict the left that now you're back to lying. Lying right to my ****ing face. Don't play this dishonest quote game! It's not just morally wrong and personally insulting, it's also ****ty politics, because it doesn't fool people.

Uh huh.

So in your view, does that quote encourage or discourage sanctuary cities?

Everyone has knowledge of health care. Everyone has knowledge of inequality. Everyone has knowledge of gun control. What the **** bull**** defeatism is this? "The only issue anyone ever votes on is sanctuary cities, and our path to victory is agreeing that our opponent is correct on that issue" is a pretty hot ****ing take.

Again,
What?

No, mother****er, that's YOU. That's your politics. The GOP isn't tricking them, it's giving them the racism out in the open. Your strategy appears to be lie to both sides and hope for the best.

You literally still cannot make up your mind, even WITHIN THIS ****ING POST, about whether Northam is against sanctuary cities as a smart piece of centrist triangulation or whether Northam is for sanctuary cities and anyone saying otherwise is smearing him with lies.

Whoever wrote this paragraph should probably check in with whoever wrote the first half of your post.

Northam isn't on my side, and I'm beginning to suspect neither are you. There's no other way to spin defending this godawful messaging strategy.

Man I really didn't think we'd top the centrist Dems attacking Trump for not building the wall yet, but this is ****ing incredible. sylar is so unfamiliar with the concept of "advocating a better future" that he's ****ing melting down over people saying that maybe if you're in favor of sanctuary cities you should explain why they are good.

Just like how Northam thinks he just needs to repeat "I'm a pediatrician", this dude appears to believe that naming "places in Virginia" is a debate strategy. Brains worms, man, absolute brain worms.

Hot take: Had I known this at this time last year, I would have voted for Gary Johnson (in MA), not that it would've mattered.

Gillespie at 32% to win on Predictit. The absolutely freest of money.

Huh? Last polls I saw had it at about this likelihood. Which side do you think is the free money? (jk, polls aside, obviously Gillespie is going to win.)

All my Predict monies are tied up shorting the "Will Hillary face federal charges?" market.

Northam going the Hilary route of never talking about benefits and policies for voting for him/her/democrat, just that Gillespie (trump, repub party etc) is the actual robot devil. I'm thinking with the bizarre year of the election (not even congressional vote) Gillespie slips in via democrat voter indifference.

This should be copied, pasted, and emailed to every Democrat voter, candidate, and legislator, regardless of how substantial or diminutive the office is. It should also be made into a large poster and hung on the wall of every Democratic campaign headquarters. Maybe once this gets ingrained in their heads they'll stop caring about how to appease the center and center right and go balls out promoting a far left agenda. And even if this doesn't work, I'd rather they lose running on issues and ideals that the majority of their constituents care about and want.

A million ads all the time in Virginia right now about Northam being friendly to some notorious pedo.