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08-05-2017 , 11:56 AM

#4826

SuperUberBob

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**** centrist bull****. We need another far left-wing Bernie Sanders type to awaken the silent left-wingers who were disappointed by Clinton being handed the nomination. Bunch of those Bernie supporters stayed home out of disappointment and frustration with the system.

We don't need to pander to garden variety racists to win. We need to go the opposite way.

08-05-2017 , 12:42 PM

#4827

sportsjefe

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Here's a doozy:

https://twitter.com/samswey/status/893675942698250240

08-08-2017 , 01:13 AM

#4828

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Sobering analysis from FiveThirtyEight laying out the bleak Congressional prospects of the Democratic party.

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Even if Democrats were to win every single 2018 House and Senate race for seats representing places that Hillary Clinton won or that Trump won by less than 3 percentage points — a pretty good midterm by historical standards — they could still fall short of the House majority and lose five Senate seats.

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Consider: In 1980, there were 18 states where the presidential margin was at least 5 points more Democratic than the national result, 18 states where it was at least 5 points more Republican than the national result and 14 states in between. Hypothetically, over three successive election cycles, all either party needed to do to win a Senate majority was win all 36 of the seats in the friendly states plus at least 15 of the 28 swing-state seats.

Today, Republicans don’t even need to win any “swing states” to win a Senate majority: 52 seats are in states where the 2016 presidential margin was at least 5 percentage points more Republican than the national outcome. By contrast, there are just 28 seats in states where the margin was at least 5 points more Democratic, and only 20 seats in swing states.

The GOP’s current 52-seat majority makes the Senate look tantalizingly competitive. But a look at the map reveals that the Democrats hold far more seats on borrowed time than Republicans do. The GOP doesn’t hold a single Senate seat in those 14 states that are more Democratic-leaning than the country overall. Meanwhile, Democrats hold six seats in the 26 more-Republican-than-average states, and all six are at risk in 2018.

08-10-2017 , 03:03 PM

#4829

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https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/...ainst-the-left

The whole piece is great.

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Twitter has been an especially revealing host forum to this ugly friction between identity and ideology: there, unapologetically leftist people of color and women are routinely shouted down, called race traitors, self-hating women, or, incredibly, are accused of being white—even by people with white-presenting avatars. Twitter is where you can find a liberal Democrat referring to Our Revolution president Nina Turner as “Bernie’s Omarosa.” It’s disorienting to see white (and black) liberals calling leftists of color sellouts, Uncle Toms, “coons,” house-slaves, and well, white people, all in the name of anti-racism. But the Bernie Bro framework tells us that all the racists are at the fringes of the political spectrum, while the middle remains pure. Progressive women or leftists of color therefore present a kind of glitch in the matrix. The solution? Deny our existence. Leftists of color are regularly told—by white liberals!—that we are white and/or secretly racist. And while stories about the sexism Clinton supporters faced online are familiar, the racism and sexism directed by the center against the left are ignored. Purported anti-racist Democrats stayed largely silent as an Islamophobic smear campaign was waged against progressive black Muslim Representative Keith Ellison, one of the ugliest instances of bigotry to come out of the Democratic Party in recent history.

08-10-2017 , 03:59 PM

#4830

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Originally Posted by AllTheCheese

Sobering analysis from FiveThirtyEight laying out the bleak Congressional prospects of the Democratic party.

Yeah, I've been beating that drum in conversations with friends who just assume Democrats will take back the House and Senate in the midterms because Trump is so unpopular. I guess the silver lining is that the Senate isn't a gerrymandering issue, it's the system we play in, and having him and the GOP be so unpopular while all of these "borrowed," seats are up for re-election does help Democrats hold them.

Also this is why Republicans don't want to get rid of the filibuster, even as they're blowing up political norms left and right. There's an argument that Democrats may never get to 60 again, as the parties are currently aligned, and thus Republicans can always prevent left-wing policies with the filibuster, but once every 15-20 years they may get to ram through their dream policies with a super majority. The counter argument is that demographic shifts will turn states like Arizona and eventually (even if it takes 50 years) Texas purple.... But they have voter suppression for that.

In an alternate reality where the Republican field wasn't watered down and Kasich won and was relatively popular and being hailed by the media as moderate, they would currently have their eyes set on 60 Senate seats in the midterm with a map that gave them a very fair shot.

08-10-2017 , 06:32 PM

#4831

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Really hard to find anywhere other than Nevada and Arizona that Dems can flip.

08-10-2017 , 08:15 PM

#4832

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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob

Did they stay home in the primaries also?

08-11-2017 , 03:29 AM

#4833

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Originally Posted by ecriture d'adulte

Did they stay home in the primaries also?

Of course. Almost everyone stays home for the primary. What is turnout nationwide, 20%?

08-12-2017 , 12:41 PM

#4834

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Opinion: Bernie bros trying to ruin the dem party the way the tea party blew up the GOP

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...8ed_story.html

08-12-2017 , 12:46 PM

#4835

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Of course. Almost everyone stays home for the primary. What is turnout nationwide, 20%?

Right, the key to winning over this silent left (if it exists) is to give them a better choice than Bernie Sanders so they actually vote in the primary.

08-12-2017 , 01:19 PM

#4836

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Right, the key to winning over this silent left (if it exists) is to give them a better choice than Bernie Sanders so they actually vote in the primary.

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08-12-2017 , 03:23 PM

#4837

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Democrats never miss a trick, do they...

https://twitter.com/neeratanden/stat...50667895427073

08-12-2017 , 04:20 PM

#4838

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https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/896442982911684608

08-12-2017 , 04:24 PM

#4839

FlyWf

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The protestor who was killed today was an IWW member, per multiple reports. The Nazi must have just slightly missed Neera Tanden

08-15-2017 , 02:28 PM

#4840

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Hedge fund manager, charter school supporter, and Cuomo backer accuses black leader of NY Senate Dems of having done "more damage to people of color than anyone who has ever donned a hood"

...for supporting teachers' unions.

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Mr. Loeb and his wife have donated more than $170,000 to Mr. Cuomo in recent years, state records show. He has also supported Republicans, with contributions including $500,000 to a super PAC that supported Jeb Bush in 2015, $150,000 to the Republican National Committee that year and $700,000 to a super PAC supporting House Republicans in 2016.

08-16-2017 , 11:49 AM

#4841

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I think democrats are really dropping the ball with this anthem protest in the NFL not coming out strongly against it makes the party as a whole overall look extremely unpatriotic.

08-16-2017 , 11:53 AM

#4842

FlyWf

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I think democrats are really dropping the ball with this anthem protest in the NFL not coming out strongly against it makes the party as a whole overall look extremely unpatriotic.

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08-16-2017 , 11:58 AM

#4843

MrWookie

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Originally Posted by maulaga58

I think democrats are really dropping the ball with this anthem protest in the NFL not coming out strongly against it makes the party as a whole overall look extremely unpatriotic.

08-16-2017 , 12:38 PM

#4844

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I think democrats are really dropping the ball with this anthem protest in the NFL not coming out strongly against it makes the party as a whole overall look extremely unpatriotic.

08-16-2017 , 12:54 PM

#4845

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I think democrats are really dropping the ball with this anthem protest in the NFL not coming out strongly against it makes the party as a whole overall look extremely unpatriotic.

08-16-2017 , 01:12 PM

#4846

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I think democrats are really dropping the ball with this anthem protest in the NFL not coming out strongly against it makes the party as a whole overall look extremely unpatriotic.

08-16-2017 , 03:17 PM

#4847

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Originally Posted by maulaga58

I think democrats are really dropping the ball with this anthem protest in the NFL not coming out strongly against it makes the party as a whole overall look extremely unpatriotic.

08-17-2017 , 04:41 PM

#4848

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However, aspects of the Democrats’ proposal need work. The paper conflates the outsourcing of jobs with corporate inversions, which occur when companies relocate their headquarters for tax purposes but without necessarily changing any of their real economic activity. The remedy the Democrats propose for this tax avoidance problem is “a tax credit of up to 20 percent of the cost of relocating production and jobs back to the U.S.” But such a tax credit is more likely to provide a windfall for companies that would have engaged in these behaviors anyway than to substantially reduce outsourcing.The correct solution to the inversion problem is direct anti-inversion rules, and when it comes to the outsourcing problem, enforceable labor and environmental standards in other countries are more likely to help than race-to-the-bottom tax policy. Such standards, which the Democrats do at least recommend in Mexico, would also ensure that the benefits from trade accrue to those historically left behind.

I really wish Democrats would start breaking the fingers of wonks who propose business tax credits for lame stuff like relocating their headquarters or training workers. Seriously, at some point the wonks need to get it through their heads. I do wonder how much of this is fueled by the idea that companies shouldn't be taxed at all and so any tax breaks are just getting things closer to where they should be.

http://prospect.org/article/democrat...at-we-have-now

08-17-2017 , 06:45 PM

#4849

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I think democrats are really dropping the ball with this anthem protest in the NFL not coming out strongly against it makes the party as a whole overall look extremely unpatriotic.

I wasn't wearing my eclipse glasses when I read this and now I have permanent eye damage