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11-06-2017 , 07:53 PM
This is INSANE:

Harvey Weinstein’s Army of Spies

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...-army-of-spies

Not paranoid if they really are out to get you...
11-06-2017 , 08:05 PM
Was feeling nostalgic for Anita Hill. With a 30 year time slip, Clarence Thomas would not be on the Supreme Court.

From a review of Strange Justice: The Selling of Clarence Thomas by a couple Wall Street Journal reporters.

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There is plenty of absurdity in "Strange Justice." Upon learning of Ms. Hill's charges, Senator Howard M. Metzenbaum, Democrat of Ohio, exclaimed in alarm, "If that's sexual harassment, half the Senators on Capitol Hill could be accused." But upon learning that Ms. Hill planned to include such words as "penis" and "breast" in her testimony, two of Washington's most savvy Democratic lawyers protested vehemently that such words would be "needlessly offensive in the decorous atmosphere of the Senate."
11-07-2017 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
This is INSANE:

Harvey Weinstein’s Army of Spies

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...-army-of-spies

Not paranoid if they really are out to get you...
This article is incredible. I just saw it somewhere else, read it and posted it in SE. The guy is just amazing human trash. For example, he hired people to befriend Rose McGowan (who accused him of rape, and, honestly, don't we all believe her?) under the guise of furthering women's rights. Of course their whole goal is to gather information, look for pressure points, any opportunity to lean on and suppress, rage-inducing stuff. Just **** you Harvey.
11-07-2017 , 01:16 AM
https://wonkette.com/625374/i-spent-...o-i-feel-shaky

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I’ve been very glad, over these past few weeks, to just sit and watch all these men go toppling down. It’s been immensely satisfying, to see women (and men) be heard and listened to, to see these men who thought they were protected by silence and fear and years find out they were wrong. Because they were never really the whole reason for the silence and fear to begin with, on their own. It was fear of the larger community to which they belonged, fear of being ostracized, fear of having people protect your abuser and turn on you. That is changing.

As big as all the Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, Bill O’Reilly, Kevin Spacey stories are, as important as they are, they did more than just take down big celebrities.*They made us all stop giving a f*ck.

My story, and the story of the other women assaulted by this man is much smaller in scope. But it’s big in the sense that this is happening all over. I’ve seen it happen in the Chicago comedy scene and in other smaller communities as well. It is sending a message to any man, any person, anywhere, who has sexually assaulted or harassed someone, abused their power in this way that he*is not safe*and*is not protected*either by those they hurt or the communities they belong to. It is sending a message to every would-be harasser or assailant that no, they*don’t*actually have the power to get away with that ****. We are taking that power away. The silence they counted on is no longer guaranteed.

Right now, there are men across America, sitting with twisted guts, wondering if they will be next, if those they hurt are going to be the next to come forward. And they very well might be.
11-07-2017 , 11:36 AM
Back on Nagle for a moment, I am officially defecting to FlyWf's side. When National Review thinks your book is the bee's knees, you're crossing over into lawful evil territory.

I think Nagle's thesis that the neo-Nazi "alt-right" has totally detached from left-wing egalitarian philosophy and Christian morality is precisely backwards. Like Nazism before it, it represents an attempt to combine these two and then imagines a kind of global "group capitalism," a competition among self-organizing ethno-states (which, in the ethno-nationalist understanding, will result from the innate racism of humankind's mating preferences, a trope frequently exhibited in hardcore pornography).

Their ideology melds extreme authoritarian stances on social issues--not surprising given that many 4chan posters have autism spectrum disorders--with centrist economic views--mixed economy capitalism with no special treatment for anyone, but abundant opportunities and wealth for all who are willing to work hard. They believe they have been essentially forced to adopt these dangerously extreme social positions by an equal but opposite polarization on the left, a laughably idiotic contention that conflates the opinions of depressed teenagers on Tumblr with those of organized labor.

Kek, Pepe, the sad white guy, Trump and other repeated symbols represent a ruthless conformism--everyone may express themselves, but everyone must use the same iconography, exactly the kind of attitude pedants and people on the autism spectrum frequently display toward language in general. Lottery systems of distributing social rewards and burdens are favored as arbitrary but fair, hence the forum's obsession with posts whose number is 77777777 (lucky number seven, reward) or 66666666 (the bad number, punishment).

The "deus vult" subfaction of white nationalism goes further, endorsing the ideas of ethnic conquest, revanchist genocide, ethnic cleansing, and holocaust apologia.

Nagle's book comes dangerously close to expressing sympathy for this culture and its views, fetishizing the faux-edgy 4chan aesthetic as transgression when in reality it is simple juvenalia and stupidity. FlyWf is correct to say that Jordan B. Peterson is a natural ally, except that I don't think it's right to say that Nagle is on a path to getting there. She's likely an IRL neo-Nazi sympathizer completely opposed to any and all forms of "identity politics," and her book should be rejected by those on the Left.

Last edited by DrModern; 11-07-2017 at 11:46 AM.
11-07-2017 , 11:42 AM
So apparently Weinstein was literally hiring ex-Mossad guys to harass Rose McGowan. JFC
11-07-2017 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DrModern
She's likely an IRL neo-Nazi sympathizer completely opposed to any and all forms of "identity politics," and her book should be rejected by those on the Left.
I'm not inclined to go too far in defending her, but this is a bit strong. She is indeed opposed to identity politics, or at the very least considers it over-privileged in contemporary discourse, but such a view doesn't lend itself too well to neo-Nazi sympathies - at least, not coherently. Neo-Nazism is identity politics and I doubt Nagle would dispute that.

Her book's a bit crap and she pays too much attention to tumblr, but I don't think that's enough to paint her as a Nazi sympathiser. I don't see Jacobin or The Baffler giving her as much play as they have if there were anything to that.
11-07-2017 , 02:41 PM
I guess I mean that if the only basis of your opposition to Nazism (cf. the rebranding of white nationalism as "identitarianism") is "it's identity politics and that's bad," that's a pretty thin basis for opposition that: (a) ignores the potentially positive dimensions of identity politics (such as compensating the descendants of historically victimized groups) and (b) ignores, you know, all the really obvious flaws of Nazism (genocidal mania, lust for territorial conquest, racism, extreme oppression of women, etc.).

IOW, it seems like her true enemy is identity politics rather than white nationalism, hence the grievance mongering about petty campus nonsense that matters to no one outside academia. I have been rather disappointed with The Baffler and Jacobin's lack of editorial judgment this past year, tbqh. Cf. the Sam Kriss sexual harassment/sexual assault allegations and those against Emmett Rensin and others on the "dirtbag left," not that the problem was confined to those two publications.

Last edited by DrModern; 11-07-2017 at 02:50 PM.
11-07-2017 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by DrModern
I guess I mean that if the only basis of your opposition to Nazism (cf. the rebranding of white nationalism as "identitarianism") is "it's identity politics and that's bad," that's a pretty thin basis for opposition that: (a) ignores the potentially positive dimensions of identity politics (such as compensating the descendants of historically victimized groups) and (b) ignores, you know, all the really obvious flaws of Nazism (genocidal mania, lust for territorial conquest, racism, extreme oppression of women, etc.).
Can you point to something that indicates that actually is "the only basis" of her opposition to Nazism, though?
11-07-2017 , 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Can you point to something that indicates that actually is "the only basis" of her opposition to Nazism, though?
Just a conspicuous silence and an overemphasis on a pet grievance, so I really only have an evidence-shaped absence, to quote the show Luther.
11-07-2017 , 03:54 PM
I dunno about silence, I mean:
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Originally Posted by Angela Nagle
It was also a Christian parson, Thomas Malthus, who wrote the darkly influential Essay on the Principle of Population in 1798, lending moral and philosophical legitimacy to the fear of uncontrolled breeding. Murray Bookchin described Malthus’s essay as an “ideological diatribe against the humanistic tradition of the enlightenment” and a “pessimistic attack upon the egalitarian ideals” of his opponents. Malthus provided a cover of scientific respectability, argued Bookchin, for cruel treatment in the English poorhouses and orphanages during the Industrial Revolution. And Malthusianism would go on, over its long, ugly career, to furnish all-purpose alibis for the rise of social Darwinism, eugenics, and the genocidal policies of Imperial Europe—and ultimately for the Holocaust, where the “lifeboat ethic” advanced by Malthus meant that much of humanity had to be pushed overboard to save “the fit.”
There's more, but The Baffler's house style is unquotably prolix. I'm not really seeing it. I'll throw you a bone and say her fixation on identity politics - which I do think is overemphasised, but not to anything like the extent she appears to - may eventually drive her into genuinely contemptible territory. I just don't think she's there yet.
11-07-2017 , 04:30 PM
I hadn't read that piece, thanks for sharing. I was just going off of KAN. I don't really see a substantive critique of Malthus in that essay, though I agree it seems clear she recognizes the evils of Nazism from the passage you quoted. I'll back down for now, but I will say that, if KAN wanted to be absolutely clear that it emphatically rejected horrible racist ideologies, it would've been written very differently.
11-08-2017 , 12:51 PM
Charlie Sheen come on down

11-08-2017 , 01:02 PM
Hell. Wall Street Sheen? Those *******s thought this was common stuff. No integrity.

**** Hollywood.

They can go deeply **** themselves, and thereby do us all a favor.
11-08-2017 , 01:08 PM
Not arguing with that claim, but Corey Haim has been dead for 7 years.
11-08-2017 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Not arguing with that claim, but Corey Haim has been dead for 7 years.
****. How did he die?
11-08-2017 , 01:18 PM
Drugs man
11-08-2017 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
****. How did he die?
Dunno. I mentioned Charlie Sheen to my wife and she knew Corey Haim was dead and thought drugs. Internet says "natural causes" and "suddenly died", but there's also talk about shopping for doctors and prescription drug overdose.
11-08-2017 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
****. How did he die?
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Tangential: TIL the music in the art museum montage is an instrumental cover of The Smiths' Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want.
11-09-2017 , 11:11 AM
Charlie did it?
11-09-2017 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by plaaynde
Charlie did it?
That's a still of Sheen's cameo in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, where his most memorable line is the word 'Drugs'. I assumed it would be widely understood.
11-09-2017 , 02:01 PM
It's about to go down for Louis CK. Just canceled the premiere of his new movie at the last minute, and pulled out of an appearance on Colbert. Word is the NYT is about to run a story on him.

Yashar Ali @yashar

'For weeks the NYT has been prepping a story about Louis CK and calling everyone in the comedy world and Hollywood, my sources have received calls...it appears that story will be published soon. Per @THR the premiere for his movie has been cancelled.'
11-09-2017 , 02:13 PM
Oh wow
11-09-2017 , 02:52 PM
Some people you'll be all, omg, I can't believe he would do that. Just so surprising and shocking.

Louis CK, you take one look at him and oh yeah he did that ****, for sure
11-09-2017 , 02:55 PM
Posts are in the Alabama thread: Roy Moore, come on down

      
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