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04-07-2014 , 08:48 PM
Why should he apologize? His side won. As awful as it was, a majority of voters agreed with him that gay marriage should be banned.
04-07-2014 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy_Fish
Why should he apologize? His side won. As awful as it was, a majority of voters agreed with him that gay marriage should be banned.
Because that isn't how you define morality. Aren't you meant to be a libertarian?
04-07-2014 , 08:53 PM
FWIW the Mozilla guy fell all over himself apologizing. Wasn't good enough.

I don't really like this much because for once it give the religious right an actual non-completely-made-up reason to feel persecuted. Pushing the guy out of his job for taking a legitimate political position in 2008 is going too far imo. Ok Cupid is actually playing the bully here, since Mozilla is already down and had no choice (I guess) but to comply.
04-07-2014 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Apologize?
OK, I'll agree here. I thought I had read that he had issued a statement basically apologizing, but I see now that it was actually some PR statement from mozilla itself outlining their own inclusion policies. It seems he hasn't said anything either way so I guess I'll assume he still in fact does oppose marriage equality.
04-07-2014 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
Questions for the cheerleaders here

* should obama be held to the same standard? He also opposed gay marriage in 2008, should people pressure him to resign because of it?

* is there any evidence this guy still opposes gay marriage? opinion polls on this topic look pretty radically different than they did six years ago, and this guy is in a demographic that probably has seen a pretty big shift in opinions.

* what (if anything) could this guy have done between then and two weeks ago or whatever that would have made you think that pushing for his resignation was just ridiculous?
Obama moved his position. As you say there is no evidence the CEO guy did. If he moved his position he would have gotten a pass too.

It's pretty awesome how much has changed in 6 years.
04-07-2014 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
FWIW the Mozilla guy fell all over himself apologizing. Wasn't good enough.
Cite? I just looked and didn't find anything.
04-07-2014 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy_Fish
Why should he apologize? His side won. As awful as it was, a majority of voters agreed with him that gay marriage should be banned.
Then, uh, why did he get fired?
04-07-2014 , 08:55 PM
The? American Conservative had a run of articles last week, maybe 2 or 3, including the one with the anti-gay Mccarthyism blurb.
04-07-2014 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy_Fish
Why should he apologize? His side won. As awful as it was, a majority of voters agreed with him that gay marriage should be banned.
Wow, now if we take this standard and apply it, to, say, anything else in history where the winning side has enacted discriminatory practices...
04-07-2014 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Happy_Fish
I guess I just don't get the hype for LOTR since I was already a fantasy reader / video game RPG player long before I ever picked up The Hobbit (which I thought was decent). I didn't even get through the LOTR trilogy because the story progressed so damned slowly. It probably would have been different if LOTR was my introduction to the genre, as seems to be the case for a lot of people.
Comparing those two is actually the real bad thing that happened ITT. In a way it is like comparing the apple to the apple tree.

LOTR is a finished product. Both films and books. The books are from a different time and the movies were apparently made for fans of the book's, uh, long pace. Tolkien's works did spawn most of the entire genre's standard elements. Possibly all that fantasy you read or played connects back to a variation of one Tolkien theme or another.

GOT isn't even a film, but an episodic TV adaption of a book series that itself is still a work in progress. And look it does have some magic and non-human monsters marching in armies and dragons. And boobs. Gotcha J.R.R.!
04-07-2014 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pvn
Cite? I just looked and didn't find anything.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_te...age_views.html

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Eich tried to control the damage. On March 26, he published a blog post promising to uphold Mozilla’s anti-discrimination policies, treat its employees equally, and foster an open and inclusive atmosphere. He also expressed “sorrow” at “having caused pain,” without explicitly mentioning Proposition 8. But he resisted calls to step down, and he never renounced his support for the measure. “I don't want to talk about my personal beliefs because I kept them out of Mozilla all these 15 years we've been going,” he told the Guardian. “I don't believe they're relevant.”
Hmm. I guess this is what I'm thinking about but it's not really "falling all over himself". I thought I read somewhere he agreed to host some kind of sensitivity forum or something.
04-07-2014 , 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
I can't find anything archived in my history or on their site. It's possible they deleted them or I misremembered where I read the articles. I'm sure the Is This McCarthyism? article was much more negative rather than "just asking directions" like it is now for e.g.
The most rational explanation is that you just made the articles up.
04-07-2014 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Wow, now if we take this standard and apply it, to, say, anything else in history where the winning side has enacted discriminatory practices...
And hooray democracy.
04-07-2014 , 09:14 PM
Democracy isn't above apologizing for the things it got wrong via popular opinion, perhaps Eich shouldn't be either?
04-07-2014 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by [Phill]
Because that isn't how you define morality. Aren't you meant to be a libertarian?
I guess you missed the subtle dig at the process. The government (or the people they represent) should not be able to restrict the rights of gays in the first place. When you open up that can of worms, you shouldn't be surprised when homophobes use that power.

Personally I think government shouldn't give any special status to somebody just because they are married. But since the government is going to continue to do that, they certainly shouldn't be able to define who can and cannot get those benefits based on the sex of the person you want to marry. It should be just another contract for them to uphold between people.
04-07-2014 , 09:20 PM
You can read his "apology" here.

It reads to me like suzzer is grossly mischaracterizing it. He never says he was wrong about Prop 8. He said that he was sorry for causing pain, that he's not an ******* to gay people to their faces, and that his stance on Prop 8 has nothing to do with how he would run Mozilla. That's hardly an apology worth noting and is in no way analogous to, say, Obama repealing DADT and coming out in full support of gay marriage.
04-07-2014 , 09:22 PM
You use quotes around "apology" like I would use quotes around "coming out in full support of gay marriage"
04-07-2014 , 09:27 PM
Failed hypocrisy gotchas ITT
04-07-2014 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Comparing those two is actually the real bad thing that happened ITT. In a way it is like comparing the apple to the apple tree.
*ahem*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth
04-07-2014 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
Now you are comparing The Tree of Life with an apple tree.
04-07-2014 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Democracy isn't above apologizing for the things it got wrong via popular opinion, perhaps Eich shouldn't be either?
I don't know if this is supposed to be funny or not, but the top two results are apologizing for lynching and slavery, IN 2005 and 2009.
04-07-2014 , 09:31 PM
Next up, apologizing for Japanese internment (circa 2056) and gay rights (2124)
04-07-2014 , 09:32 PM
I'll give Eich some props if he apologizes for his stance on gay marriage in fifty years or so instead of dying a crotchety old man who's angry at the world he left to his kids, unfortunately it will be too late to save his job at Mozilla.
04-07-2014 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I'll give Eich some props if he apologizes for his stance on gay marriage in fifty years or so instead of dying a crotchety old man who's angry at the world he left to his kids, unfortunately it will be too late to save his job at Mozilla.
Maybe his grandkids will apologize after he's long dead.
04-07-2014 , 09:37 PM
Comments fly? Lol gtfo

      
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