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04-12-2014 , 10:21 AM

#1276

[Phill]

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Originally Posted by bundy5

Women aren't being discriminated based on performance. They are being implicitly discriminated based on long-term value they provide to the business.

No one has long term value to a business. The average length of time at a job is 4.4 years. Try again.

04-12-2014 , 10:34 AM

#1277

sputnik3000

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Originally Posted by ianlippert

I mean ya it's true that many women are comfortable with their traditional roles (so are women in many middle eastern countries) but many women aren't. But this only begs the question, if sacrificing careers for family is so rewarding why don't more men do it?

Women in the western world have the choice to either work or stay home and raise a family. Now you would think that the women that want to pursue a career choose stay at home dads. They usually dont and still choose men that are equal or above them.

I bet many men would choose family if they had that option. But most men dont since if you show that preference the likelyhood of finding a compatible woman is very low.

04-12-2014 , 11:34 AM

#1278

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sputnik3000

And you're using data drawn from unequal societies. As has already been cited ITT, as gender equality increases in societies, the differences in the ways women and men select mates decreases.

04-12-2014 , 12:08 PM

#1279

ianlippert

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Originally Posted by sputnik3000

Considering that in households with two working parents the women still takes care of the majority of the household and child care responsibilities, I am not buying the "if only men weren't forced by our misandrist society from being stay at home dads" nonsense.

The number of stay at home dads is so minuscule that its really hard to believe that if men really wanted to take the stay at home parent role there would be many women who would stop them.

04-12-2014 , 12:10 PM

#1280

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by MrWookie

Yep. An allegory indeed. How about you flesh out for us why it is right and just that a woman can be paid less than a man for any stated reason, even one that has precisely nothing to do with her job performance, just so long that it cannot be proven that the reason stated is malicious spite regarding her gender?

Again, that's absolutely not the status quo, and you keep switching back and forth in your reasoning between anything and having to prove that actual discrimination is happening. Regardless, the law isn't supposed to prevent employers from making stupid choices, it's supposed to stop discrimination. They aren't the same thing.

04-12-2014 , 12:47 PM

#1281

Roonil Wazlib

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sputnik3000

Well women tend to chose men that are a couple of years older and make more money so usually its just as much an economic issue as it is a choice.

Any chance you can substantiate both of these claims? Or should we just assume this is your usual, made-up on the spot, ever so thinly-veiled sexism?

I'm curious which scientist did research finding that women tend to be gold diggers.

04-12-2014 , 02:42 PM

#1282

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Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib

I'd agree this is too broad a claim, however the data does prove that women place higher importance on income and ambition/industriousness. Men on the other hand rank physical appearance as more important.

So I guess that makes men shallow, and women gold diggers - although I suspect biology probably has more to do with it.

04-12-2014 , 03:00 PM

#1283

Melkerson

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Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib

Surely you are not doubting the first one. Just look at the average ages of marriage for men and women. Unless you think that there are some very weird distributions that skews the average.

04-12-2014 , 03:03 PM

#1284

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib

Are you seriously questioning if women like successful men?

Really?

04-12-2014 , 03:18 PM

#1285

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

Are you seriously questioning if women like successful men?

Really?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib View Post
LOL

You are so stupid it's almost beyond words.

But the words are BAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAH

It is so cute that you don't understand the data there and think it supports you.

But yes, you're the one who said women tend to marry men who make more money than them

and that women tend to prefer men with power who can offer financial security.

You're using code words to call women gold diggers. It's not hard to get your meaning. Because, as stated above, you are extremely idiotic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_at_first_marriage

Roonil has very tinted glasses on when he views how the outside world looks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_dis..._relationships

04-12-2014 , 03:33 PM

#1286

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Err, pointing out women average 2 years younger than men in the first marriage is pretty ****ty evidence that they target success, let alone trying to claim this is a factor in why men get paid more than women for the exact work and the exact same skills in the exact same jobs.

04-12-2014 , 03:38 PM

#1287

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Saying that it's a factor in the wage gap is weak. However, questioning if men who are more successful are seen as more attractive by women is ****ing idiotic.

04-12-2014 , 03:45 PM

#1288

Melkerson

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Originally Posted by [Phill]

Err, pointing out women average 2 years younger than men in the first marriage is pretty ****ty evidence

You do realize that he actually requested substantiation of this age disparity, right?

04-12-2014 , 03:51 PM

#1289

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I knew that the theory of evolution and natural selection was a farce. Those pictures of old rich guys with hot chicks and the fossil records are a hoax.

04-12-2014 , 03:56 PM

#1290

sputnik3000

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

I knew that the theory of evolution and natural selection was a farce. Those pictures of old rich guys with hot chicks and the fossil records are a hoax.

Its not a hoax. Its a patriarchal strategy to suppress women...

04-12-2014 , 04:24 PM

#1291

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Originally Posted by Melkerson

You do realize that he actually requested substantiation of this age disparity, right?

He didnt in what was quoted and I cant look further up the chain of posts because he broke the link with how he quoted and I cannot find the original post.

04-12-2014 , 04:25 PM

#1292

ikestoys

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Its right there philliam jeezus.

04-12-2014 , 04:35 PM

#1293

[Phill]

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I really dont get why some of you guys (literally, obv) are so obsessed with denying the patriarchal structure of nearly all societies including America and with these structures women are effectively held back in many ways.

You only need to look at matriarchal societies to realise it is obviously true:

http://metro.co.uk/2013/03/05/where-...china-3525234/

Who'da thunk it, in matriarchal communities men stay at home and look after the kids and women take care of the finances and go hunting. The Meghalaya example has been cited earlier in the thread with a great article show how patriarchy makes women more timid and less willing to chase success.

04-12-2014 , 04:36 PM

#1294

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Well, that's the most obvious subject change to avoid admitting being wrong that I've seen in a long time.

04-12-2014 , 04:38 PM

#1295

[Phill]

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Its right there philliam jeezus.

Lets see shall we:

Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib View Post
LOL

You are so stupid it's almost beyond words.

But the words are BAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAH

So far no mention of age disparity, lets search on

It is so cute that you don't understand the data there and think it supports you.

But yes, you're the one who said women tend to marry men who make more money than them

Nope, not there yet, must be later in the post

and that women tend to prefer men with power who can offer financial security.

Hmm, we are running out of post, must be here in the next line?

You're using code words to call women gold diggers. It's not hard to get your meaning. Because, as stated above, you are extremely idiotic.

Oh, right, nope, no mention of age disparity whatsoever.

04-12-2014 , 04:39 PM

#1296

ikestoys

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Quote:

Originally Posted by [Phill]

He didnt in what was quoted and I cant look further up the chain of posts because he broke the link with how he quoted and I cannot find the original post.

You can scroll up phill good god

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roonil Wazlib

04-12-2014 , 04:40 PM

#1297

[Phill]

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Originally Posted by ikestoys

Well, that's the most obvious subject change to avoid admitting being wrong that I've seen in a long time.

If only you were as good a poster as you are a fast poster you wouldnt look so dumb. Thanks for proving my point that he broke the chain of quotes or just quoted something that doesnt exist somehow. Its funny that the claim that women are gold diggers was merely implied because due to cultural reasons they marry younger.

"women marry younger because they are gold digging whores!"
"can you prove this?"
"[links to wiki showing they marry slightly younger] SEE, WHORES!"

04-12-2014 , 04:50 PM

#1298

sputnik3000

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Quote:

Originally Posted by [Phill]

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Across America, there are around 100 off-the-grid female-only colonies where anybody saddled with a Y chromosome is forbidden. Welcome to America’s Womyn’s Lands. These largely lesbian communities started life in the 1970s when a cluster of revolutionary women founded a camp on the beach in St Augustine, Florida. Today, one of the largest Womyn’s Lands is found in rural Alabama, in a camp called Alapine Village. Here 13 women (most aged between 50 and 80) co-exist, working the land by day and meeting for ‘community full moon circles’ (activities: singing and reading poems) by night – all largely unnoticed by their Bible Belt neighbours.

This seems more like a misandric cult than some proof that we live in a patriarchy.

04-12-2014 , 04:53 PM

#1299

ikestoys

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Originally Posted by [Phill]

Phill it's like 10 posts above his. You're being obnoxious.

Women are attracted to and tend to marry successful men. This isn't controversial and you're making yourself look extremely foolish right now.

04-12-2014 , 05:01 PM

#1300

[Phill]

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ikestoys

"Women choose men who are successful because they are discriminated against in a patriarchal society and are much less likely to be successful on their own especially since societal norms are she will stop or limit working when she has a kid" isnt particularly controversial.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sputnik3000

This seems more like a misandric cult than some proof that we live in a patriarchy.

Yeah, that was a fun example to pick.

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