i do not withdraw my assertion and i ask a moderator to politely ask you not to engage in ad hominem.

Don't you understand? It's not just about the Americans paying off Egypt. I agree that the aid should be tied to democratic and liberal reforms in egypt, but i've argued at length why a strong and vibrant Israel is a good thing for the US? In a sea of dictatorships and faux-democracies, where terrorist groups are subdued in the media but whose ideology is a result of the blatant propaganda fed to the masses, and therefore mobilizes the extremist elements, a successful Israel turns the people's minds toward democracy. When people are free they don't resort to violence. They stage protests, they influence government using non-violent means. Which means they have more time to build economies for the US to invest in.

The fact is that Israel's values most closely mirror the US's, and maintaining the country that espouses those values is in US interests. It's in US interest to reduce violence in that part of the world - it's what the pinkos refer to as "imperialism", but its hardly as "evil" as the classical definition of imperialism.

All that said, I'd love nothing more than for Israel to not have to pander to the United States, and to cut ourselves free from the leash that we've been tied to by the money.

I do find it insufficient because all you have demonstrated is that Israel and AIPAC share many similar goals, and that some members of AIPAC have engaged in espionage without showing that AIPAC routinely does so at Israel's behest.

Well you have been called upon to put up or shut up with your assertions on AIPAC and have refused to put up and just repeated your assertion without proof. Which I take as either/both a pro-Islamic extremist position or an anti-semitic one. So prove/withdraw your assertion and I will withdraw my inference.

Also you know you really are not very adept at this. Search the archives for Cyrus' intentionally intellectually dishonest/lying smears about Israel and all topics in general to see a master at work.

if you live in israel i suppose you might be correct in what you are doing, but if you live in US i guarantee you are doing jews a disservice. i repeat, it is not good for jews in general to have a small group of traitors to the US who use their "jewishness" as cover for their activities.

also technically my assertiion about aipac is that high level people in US government, senators, CIA, congressmen, lawyers, etc., have all taken the position that aipac should register as a foreign agent or whatever.

You are trying I have to admit, but you still are no Cyrus yet. You try to strawman me by inferring that I am condoning espionage by or on behalf of Israel when I'm not (and btw I am Catholic from a long line of same).

As to "technically" what your assertions are, just go back up and read your own posts, especially about the hypothetical Jordanian-American organization where you assert such organizations get treated differently than AIPAC.

As to how many others also assert your unproven/bogus assertions about AIPAC, that is just an appeal to authority, and dubious authority at best (or no authority actually).

So again, to validly assert AIPAC should have to register as the lobbying agent for a foreign government, you (or your line of fellow "thinkers") have to show that they qualify as such by being funded by and controlled by Israel. Merely having common goals again does not cut the mustard.

Be honest enough to either admit your assertion is bogus and without merit, or that it is an intentional anti-Jewish lying smear and you got caught with same.

was it appeal to authority when the congress called on nixon to explain his involvment in watergate?

would you support an *investigation* of aipac to determine whether it should register or whatever?

Again you are offering no proof, but instead trying to say that a lying/unproven assertion should be the basis for an investigation.

Also you and others here have the often implicit or sometimes explicit assumption that any domestic organization run and funded by American citizens which has a large overlap of interests with a foreign state, is thereby an agent of that state. That is not how the law reads from my understanding. If you believe it should read that way then that is another issue.

Put up or shut up (your lying/unproven assertions about AIPAC).

is it a lie that a US senator claimed aipac should register? how can the issue be gotten to the bottom of without an investigation? shouldn't orgs that have top members indicted for espionage be investigated? to argue otherwise is a complete joke, if you are an american and thinking of american interests.

So you make a bogus/lying and possibly anti-Jewish assertion that AIPAC should be required to register as the agent of a foreign government and as well that it gets more favored treatment than organizations like a Jordanian-American one. And you tout the fact that others have similarly made that assertion.

How many people does it take to repeat an unproven assertion in order to prove that assertion? How many times are you going to keep repeating yourself instead of either offering proof or retracting?

And again, if you wish to argue that the legal requirements for mandating registration as a lobbyist for a foreign power should be different, that is another issue. We are talking about current legal requirements.

do you condone espionage agianst the US as long as the spying is done by israel?

also it is the legal opinion of real lawyers that aipac should register.

Wow you are tenacious PLO. Make a couple unproven assertions and when challenged to prove them, just keep repeating them, name who else repeated them, and dangle red herrings and build strawmen.

Why don't you just take your anti-Jewish tirade to some other net forum.

BT is exactly right here. This has turned into a thread full of repeating unsupported and borderline anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and other hyperbole. I'm locking this thread.