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09-16-2016 , 07:40 PM
Just yesterday I met a family through work who were Muslim Americans; mom studied biochem and stayed at home w her kid w Autism, dad was an engineer working for the DoD.

At one point the mom was talking about the family she has back in Pakistan; was talking about how dangerous it had gotten and how much she wanted to bring them to the States.

But, she's waiting to see what happens in November first.

Was a reminder that Trump represents so much more to those who aren't white, American born men.
09-16-2016 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Just need to bar olds from voting
That would have worked pretty well this time, but in general I think barring men from voting would be better.
09-16-2016 , 08:09 PM
I'd be willing to give matriarchy a try. They can't possibly do a worse job than the men have.
09-16-2016 , 08:54 PM
I ended a friendship today over Trump. Feels weird. Maybe 3rd time in my life I've cut out a former friend.

TBF I haven't seen the guy in years and the friendship was just participating in the political mailing list he started. Also he wasn't just a Trump supporter but was turning into a trolling, winking alt-right racist douchebag. Still feels weird.
09-16-2016 , 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Bar anyone on public assistance from voting, which includes Medicare and SS. Too much conflict of interest.
That would eliminate more Trump voters than you think.
09-16-2016 , 11:21 PM
Uh, no, it really wouldn't.
09-17-2016 , 12:05 AM
Surprised to see everyone basically saying "on the whole, things are good."

To some extent that's true, I suppose, but I truly fear humanity is facing somewhat of, if not quite an existential crisis, at least a catastrophic near-term future with respect to the warming of this rock we live on.

And I'm not at all optimistic that anything gets done to address the problem before its too late.
09-17-2016 , 12:07 AM
That's the whole point "Is this country on the right track?" is basically the same as saying "What keeps you up at night?". Oh something? Thanks, Obama. Time to roll the dice on a radical change.
09-17-2016 , 12:39 AM
I'm fine with rolling the dice for radical change in the abstract. Unfortunately the current real world probabilities kinda suck ass. I need a much better winning payout to take that shot.
09-17-2016 , 01:52 AM
Hot Take: South Park could actually influence the Presidential Election.

For those that don't know, the character Mr. Garrison is representing Trump fairly concretely on the show for this season and the season before this one.



Also it appears that Trey and Matt must really hate Hillary Clinton.

Thoughts?

Mods, does this deserve it's own thread?
09-17-2016 , 03:02 AM
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Originally Posted by All-inMcLovin
Also it appears that Trey and Matt must really hate Hillary Clinton.

Thoughts?
You're just figuring this out now? South Park has always been middle-right/Libertarian dudebro humor.
09-17-2016 , 04:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
*real talk* I really don't think I've ever been more depressed than this moment. Trump is gaining ground, all over people are embracing hate and lashing out at the people who are most vulnerable and least able to take it and it's just an accepted part of the mainstream now. I just listened to a report on the radio interviewing a primary school teacher in aleppo where all the children draw is picture of "planes, bombs, bodies and blood" and it was a 5 minute "oh dear" piece then they went to sports news like oh well. I had to try so so hard to stop myself crying on the train to work so I didn't look like the weirdo. How do people handle the current state of the world?
Tomdemaine,

Don't worry about Donald Trump. He will suspend his campaign immediately when America remembers its safe word.
09-17-2016 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by microbet
Yeah, I had heard that Trump had flipped on some social welfare stuff in his rhetoric. I'm certainly not confident what he actually wants one way or the other, though I suspect that his history in real estate development and property management would indicate that he doesn't really support a minimum wage.

(I'm not even 100% on raising minimum wages to $15 or w/e everywhere. It's just a pretty obvious example of something achieved, to some extent, recently by a popular movement.)
Honestly I think he's just completely lying and it's part of his "pivot" to the center before election day. If he wins, on November 9th his agenda will be full-on Heritage Foundation stuff because that's what he'll be able to get through Congress with the least amount of resistance.
09-17-2016 , 12:30 PM
On rationality vs. intelligence: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/18/op...pgtype=article

Apparently this is the test:

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In one study, Professors Kahneman and Tversky had people read the following personality sketch for a woman named Linda: “Linda is 31 years old, single, outspoken and very bright. She majored in philosophy. As a student, she was deeply concerned with issues of discrimination and social justice, and also participated in antinuclear demonstrations.” Then they asked the subjects which was more probable: (A) Linda is a bank teller or (B) Linda is a bank teller and is active in the feminist movement.
Answer:

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Eighty-five percent of the subjects chose B, even though logically speaking, A is more probable. (All feminist bank tellers are bank tellers, though some bank tellers may not be feminists.)
Lol I thought about it for a millisecond and chose B too. DUH. I guess that makes me irrational. By my posting it here - I suspect people will put a little more thought into it.


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But starting in the late 1990s, researchers began to add a significant wrinkle to that view. As the psychologist Keith Stanovich and others observed, even the Kahneman and Tversky data show that some people are highly rational. In other words, there are individual differences in rationality, even if we all face cognitive challenges in being rational. So who are these more rational people? Presumably, the more intelligent people, right?

Wrong. In a series of studies, Professor Stanovich and colleagues had large samples of subjects (usually several hundred) complete judgment tests like the Linda problem, as well as an I.Q. test. The major finding was that irrationality — or what Professor Stanovich called “dysrationalia” — correlates relatively weakly with I.Q. A person with a high I.Q. is about as likely to suffer from dysrationalia as a person with a low I.Q. In a 2008 study, Professor Stanovich and colleagues gave subjects the Linda problem and found that those with a high I.Q. were, if anything, more prone to the conjunction fallacy.
09-17-2016 , 01:08 PM
if they bolded probable you probably would have got it

i have a hard time believing you can extrapolate anything from that kind of test. If they really wanted to emphasize that you were to pick the one which was more probable from a statistical point of view, they should have made that clear.
09-17-2016 , 01:26 PM
If you're interested in this kind of stuff, you will enjoy Kahneman's book Thinking Fast and Slow. I think there's a whole chapter on the "Linda" experiment and variations.
09-17-2016 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by zikzak
I'd be willing to give matriarchy a try. They can't possibly do a worse job than the men have.
I can't think of a single counter argument to this.
09-17-2016 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by microbet
That would have worked pretty well this time, but in general I think barring men from voting would be better.
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Originally Posted by zikzak
I'd be willing to give matriarchy a try. They can't possibly do a worse job than the men have.
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Originally Posted by TrollyWantACracker
I can't think of a single counter argument to this.

09-17-2016 , 01:47 PM
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(A) Linda is a bank teller or (B) Linda is a bank teller and is active in the feminist movement.
It's a natural language issue not an intelligence test.

Many people would both mean and interpret it to mean (A) Linda is a bank tell but not active in the femenist movement.... The people who would interpret it literally would commonly be mistaken and considered pedantic.
09-17-2016 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TheDuker
If you're interested in this kind of stuff, you will enjoy Kahneman's book Thinking Fast and Slow. I think there's a whole chapter on the "Linda" experiment and variations.
Yeah it's very good.
09-17-2016 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
I don't think this is THAT irrational, but more an issue with translating English into math. When you say what is more likely {A} or {A and B} people assume you mean {A and ~B} or {A and B}. They are still probably wrong in the example given, but I could see cases where it would be really a nitty error.

Like saying George is a black guy, is it more likely George is a college graduate or a college graduate who is not sympathetic to the KKK. Alot of times things are implied and not stated in everyday English and there is a pretty heavy implication that the first sentence really means George is a college gradate and sympathetic to the KKK.
09-17-2016 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dessin d'enfant
I don't think this is THAT irrational, but more an issue with translating English into math. When you say what is more likely {A} or {A and B} people assume you mean {A and ~B} or {A and B}. They are still probably wrong in the example given, but I could see cases where it would be really a nitty error.

Like saying George is a black guy, is it more likely George is a college graduate or a college graduate who is not sympathetic to the KKK. Alot of times things are implied and not stated in everyday English and there is a pretty heavy implication that the first sentence really means George is a college gradate and sympathetic to the KKK.
You're missing the point that higher intelligence was more likely if anything to contribute to the error in assuming implied things that aren't there. Although easy to make as you say, these false assumptions are still logical errors in the article example and your own example.
09-17-2016 , 03:33 PM
That's likely because in real life we have to add in the assumptions most make using natural language. People dont communicate in formal logic.

In general, it's not a mistake at all. The test is tricking people into thinking being tricked is more of a mistake than not being tricked in a case when being tricked is most likely correct.
09-17-2016 , 03:35 PM
People are surprisingly shook about word problems.
09-17-2016 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
People are surprisingly shook about word problems.

I read this as "world" problems initially and it worked nearly as well.

      
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