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02-10-2015 , 04:35 PM

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It's not only 'not a thing that matters,' it's one of the least important examples of media bull**** artistry one could possibly choose. Talk about your limited hangouts.

02-10-2015 , 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by abseeker

If Brian Williams said

"I was on a helicopter that crashed. I was at the base where a helicopter crashed."

I would give him a pass for immediately clarifying his first utterance, which was perhaps a brain fart. But Williams does not do that, he intends to deceive, and so he does not get a pass.

Who did you vote for in the presdiential elections in 2004 and 2008?

02-10-2015 , 04:41 PM

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There is a big difference between a guy who runs a political opinion/entertainment show and a anchor/reporter. In the position of the former all that matters is what his ratings are and the station can always qualify the remarks as not made on behalf of the station. If the audience cares enough, his ratings tank and then he is gone.

The later is really speaking behalf of the station and needs credibility that he/she is delivering the truth.

Really do not care but curious as to what ends up happening. One can't help but see the similarities between what Hillary lied about years ago. Maybe this is why the left will come running to absolve Williams as simply a fuzzy memory.

So your solution here is to just have them retroactively refer to his show as opinion/entertainment then no harm no foul?

02-10-2015 , 04:50 PM

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Didn't he win a Grammy for Rapers Delight?

02-10-2015 , 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by [Phill]

So your solution here is to just have them retroactively refer to his show as opinion/entertainment then no harm no foul?

To me a news anchor and reporters are speaking on behalf of the news agency. If they do not have credibility as a network in trying to inform the public of facts/news you have real problems. Those hired to give opinions are not giving opinions of the news network and as such have a lower standard.

But there is not harm in either situation nor is there a foul of any sorts. The network can make the call. If Fox wants to employ someone the left thinks is a liar it's ok, if MSNBC wants to employ someone who the right thinks is a tax cheat it's ok.

02-10-2015 , 05:24 PM

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A snowplow driver shot an RPG at me on the way home from work today. The Mini is OK just fyi.

02-10-2015 , 06:31 PM

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So is your solution to make sure that entertainment shows can't call themselves news? So people don't get confused?

02-10-2015 , 06:47 PM

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So is your solution to make sure that entertainment shows can't call themselves news? So people don't get confused?

No.

02-10-2015 , 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by raradevils

Except he's been telling this story for years. Military people just got tired of his lies and called him out on it because he kept repeating it over and over.

Military members of his helicopter told MSNBC that his version was incorrect. MSNBC wasn't interested and never got back to the military.

02-10-2015 , 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by seattlelou

His news report in 2003 was accurate. Puffing his chest on Letterman is a different animal IMO.

If it turns out he made up **** on the nightly news regarding Katrina then he will (rightly) lose his job.

Williams will lose his job if and only if his ratings drop.

02-10-2015 , 08:33 PM

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If you needed Brian Williams getting caught in a dumb lie about himself to call NBC's (or any major media outlet's) credibility into question...

02-10-2015 , 11:49 PM

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/11/bu...nths.html?_r=0

Brian Williams suspended for 6 months. Pretty light punishment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lara_Logan

Lara Logan has virtually disappeared for making an inaccurate report on Benghazi. Her source lied to her. She made a false report before learning the truth.

02-10-2015 , 11:53 PM

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You don't see a major difference between telling a story from a decade ago wrong and getting the entire act of journalism backwards in an insane attempt to feed credibility to a politically generated story?

02-10-2015 , 11:57 PM

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Judith Miller, Scooter Libby's girlfriend, got invited to the Council on Foreign Relations and hired by Fox News by aiding and abetting war crimes by gleefully inserting lies into the New York Times. Let's talk about *that.*

02-11-2015 , 01:17 AM

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News reporters are only suppose to deliver the facts. His reports on Katrina could cause the government and politicians to send a sniper team to New Orleans. Chris Kyle in his book said he was in New Orleans. Fired!

02-11-2015 , 03:46 AM

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Any non military person who is present in a combat fight is going to believe that they were in combat, even though they mean that they were in combat just as an observer and not a participant.

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WTF does that even mean? The key aspect of whether you were in combat or not isn't whether you were shooting at people; it's whether you were in the area that the bad guys were shooting at. If someone drops a grenade into the room you're in, do you think if you were "observing" that you're not in combat? Or if the HUMVEE you're riding along with troops in runs over an IED, that you weren't in combat?

That's just dumb.

02-11-2015 , 07:52 AM

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Judith Miller, Scooter Libby's girlfriend, got invited to the Council on Foreign Relations and hired by Fox News by aiding and abetting war crimes by gleefully inserting lies into the New York Times. Let's talk about *that.*

What exactly does she do on fox news? Oh that's right she's on a editorial show about "media buz". She's not exactly part of the "news" portion of the network.

How many other "journalists" work for MSNBC, NBC, CBS or ABC that are politically connected through family members?

02-11-2015 , 10:10 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by [Phill]

So your solution here is to just have them retroactively refer to his show as opinion/entertainment then no harm no foul?

LOL Phill. GTFO with your "solution" BS. Bob pretty much wasn't looking for a "solution" to this. Brian Williams is kaput as a news anchor on NBC. Business decisions revolving around sponsors ftw.

02-11-2015 , 10:19 AM

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I don't really get why some people don't think this is a big deal. LOL at the "well, people's memory can be weird" explanation, come the **** on. Liberal former journalist here btw.

02-11-2015 , 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by neg3sd

Dan Rather's source lied to him as well, should he get his job back?

Once you lose credibility it is extremely difficult to get it back in the eyes of the general public, even if your blind followers still inexplicably trust you.

I think we've seen the last of Williams, personally.

02-11-2015 , 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by raradevils

I bet she has a six figure+ salary. Not bad for being involved in a conspiracy to, you know, start a war.

02-11-2015 , 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by miajag

I don't really get why some people don't think this is a big deal. LOL at the "well, people's memory can be weird" explanation, come the **** on. Liberal former journalist here btw.

People's memory can be weird so that may be a plausible excuse if it's an isolated incident.

The other option is that he brazenly lied in front of millions about something that was pretty easily checked. That's pretty weird too.

To me the most likely explanation is a bit of both--he start lying about it and then began to believe his own bull**** on some level.

02-11-2015 , 01:06 PM

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I bet she has a six figure+ salary. Not bad for being involved in a conspiracy to, you know, start a war.

Yea I'm sure a media person could do this.....

Who doesn't have a six figure+ salary that works on major network and cable news?

The Irony:

http://www.wor710.com/onair/mark-sim...es-a-13236513/

02-12-2015 , 05:48 PM

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I subscribe to the view that his stories probably grew unconsciously with each retelling, the result of sloppiness and aggrandizement.

But I still think they should fire his ass.

We desperately need to shore up respect for facts and truth. Journalists are trained to keep their fuzzy memories under control and he knew better.

02-12-2015 , 05:56 PM

#50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by miajag

I don't really get why some people don't think this is a big deal. LOL at the "well, people's memory can be weird" explanation, come the **** on. Liberal former journalist here btw.

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2015/02/...ampaign=buffer

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How much of your memory is in some way embellished?

"100 percent."

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