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Originally Posted by zikzak
Tom you seriously haven't outgrown libertarianism yet? Aren't you pushing 40?
I outgrew it long ago. Full AC for over a decade or more.
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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
hahaha women are gonna die in back alleys, great time for a silly meme video.
LOL @ women actually dying from this. LOL @ Roe v Wade even being overturned. I'm willing to take a bet that it hasn't been overturned in any meaningful way in the next 5 years.
Abortion is one issue that I am about as neutral as it comes though. Both sides have absolute **** arguments and some decent ones sprinkled in. Knowing when life starts having rights is a very tough call, so it's very tricky to say when, which is why I don't like the government trying to make that call except when it's completely obvious. It's clearly a wedge issue used to get people riled up so that the politicians can get away with everything else they do (well, Trump's pretty terrible, BUT AT LEAST HE'LL PUT A PRO LIFE JUDGE UP!).
The "women will die" is a silly argument - if abortion is truly an abomination, then why would anyone care that someone trying to murder dies? If a guy tries to kill someone in the street and he pulls out a gun and shoots him, I don't feel sorry for it. If abortion is just a routine procedure on a clump of cells without rights, then the fact that they die is tragic, but the fact they are denied this right is even more tragic. So it's a simple appeal to emotion based on little facts (the amount of deaths would be incredibly low in such a situation). It's why the Remy video is so perfect, just goes right to the heart of the emotional arguing twits who insist that any time someone dies, its a national tragedy and we need new laws to fix it.
But like I said, I have more faith in the court to not be morons and not overturn it. It's generally a tough standard to overturn a previous decision, whether they personally want to or not. Then again, I'm not sure I do agree with the decision from a legal perspective - it did seem to be an invented right out of nowhere, even if I agree with the results. (I think the Trump immigration ban decision was likely correct, but a horrible outcome).