You fundamentally misunderstand what is meant by Secret Heart R-word-ism -vs- Institutional R-word-ism.

Secret Heart R-word-ism is harboring personal racial animus in the secret inner heart of your very soul. Some Secret Heart R-word-ers don't act on their Secret Heart R-word-ism. They often have black friends. We can't know if they are Secret Heart R-word-ers unless they tell us (and even then they could be lying).

Out-of-the-closet R-Word-ers, like self-described white supremacists, are Secret Heart R-word-ers too (unless they are fakers). These are not different "kinds" of R-word-ism, nor are they different "levels" of R-word-ism. They're the same "kind" of R-word-ism (the Secret Heart kind), and differ not by "levels", but by actions.

The other "kind" of R-word-ism is Institutional R-word-ism. It takes the form of segregated lunch counters, unequal pay for equal work, redlining, union busting, and siting chemical plants near neighborhood's of color... among other wonders and amazements.

Got it ??

I really sincerely don't think you do. I think if you did you would've just answered me the first time I asked.

Yeah but you prefaced all of those with this weird 64,000 foot view where by social science everyone is a racist. Which kinda blunts the claim.

It makes me feel worse tbh. You think this **** makes me HAPPY?

We are saying the same thing just with different terms, no?

Racism, of the type you call secret heart and institutional, exist on a continuum. From you and me to David Duke for the former and Canada to Apparthied South Africa on the latter.

My point was that its important to recongnize this continuum because we battle different ends of it with different methods.

But this is why you are getting hammered here, no? Racism is bad, full stop. Who cares where it is on the "continuum"? It's bad period, and should be shouted down when seen.

Fly Ill play along some more since you are doing such a good job showing your true colours.

You want to still maintain I am some moronic trumpkin totally oblivious to the racial history of the world or the cross-disciplinary literature on racism because it makes you feel better.

Here my first post itt which started this whole thing

Please explain my post if I have no idea what the 14 words are. What was I calling coincidence?

I'm actually excited to see you respond to this. It should be illuminating.

And failing to understand that the underlying motivation of modern American conservatism is defense of white supremacy is going to make you do dumb **** like imagine you can peel off 2 suburban Republicans with appeals to civility for every 1 rural vote you lose on trade and immigration.

It's so bizarre that these guys always retreat to the abstract. There was literally a major election where one candidate structured their campaign around superior dignity, civility, and following norms, and the other confessed to sexual assault and offered to pay the legal bills of people who beat up protestors.

You are aware "the 14 words" is a white supremacist thing, I don't think you know what the actual words are.

Evidence: you've written well over 15 words since I asked

The debate isn't if its bad. Thats silly. We are not morons or alt-righters. We are far past that.

It matters because we combat the different ends with different methods. We cant pass laws to reduce unconscious racism or secret heart as trolley call it.

We can only fight this type with multiculturalism, education and more research into its biological and cultural foundations.

Lol you delivered beyond my wildest dreams.

Your bleating panicky incomprehension and calling it a "coincidence" are incompatible with

1) Knowing what Trump's speech was about

and

2) Knowing what the 14 words are

Hey Dvaut, want to come back in and tell us how good FLY is for the debate?

I don't think giving much weight, or acceptance, of this continuum is necessarily such a good thing. I feel like it can quickly lead to an acceptance of our basest, tribal nature, because hey, it's just biology, or some ****. It's a shame that more of us can't reason our way past such base, antisocial emotions, or at least make a concerted effort to nip those lizard brain feelings in the bud whenever we sense them cropping up.

I dislike this "from you and me on down" take. Maybe you can accept it as some hard truth about yourself, but I can't. It's a vestigial remnant from our cave dwelling days, not something we should accept at all. Our fists were specifically designed to throw punches, doesn't mean we can't rise above the primordial hellscape we originated from.

You are actual worse at this than I was even giving you credit for. The circle, you are back at the start.

Clovis there is an extremely foolproof way of proving beyond any shadow of a doubt you know the answer to my question and you're at like maybe 30 posts since I asked without deploying it.

You and I don't accept it. That is why we are not awful people like the alt-right.

It's very dangerous though to pretend the science doesn't exist. We will not be using the right tools to fight it if we pretend the source isn't what it is.

Beyond my wildlest imagination! I'm actually laughing in real life now.

Thanks

lol is this a flywf gimmick account?

Stop running with that, he doesn't think you're a moronic trumpkin, he just thinks you're a moron.

Is Clovis = ikestoys finally showing face?

As you've repeated this multiple times you must think it's important, but I think it's clearly wrong. I assume you think Fly is the king of the "rhetorical style of the alt-right" in this forum and he holds opposite views from them and loathes them!

But if he's that terrible, you could just stop talking to him. But you don't want to, because you're extra-salty right now. Why that is, I don't know, but look at chezlaw. Look at what he's become, a shambling zombie whose day begins and ends with googling site:twoplustwo.com FlyWf BruceZ.

That's the road you're headed down, man. Nobody's stopping you from turning back.

I didn't understand Clovis to be saying that either form of racism was acceptable.

Can anyone think of a reason BESIDES not knowing the answer for why Clovis is treating my question in this way? I'm open to suggestions.

Fair enough but he is still pretending I am too stupid to have googled the 14 words at this point, even if I really didn't know what there were before this all started, which is obviously absurd. He doesn't even believe it himself.

He is in a rhetorical trap and simply lacks the self awareness and maturity to admit he might have been wrong in this one small instance so instead is going to cling with his fingertips to the idea that I still, at this point in the debate, don't know what the 14 words are.

At this point I wont ever post them out of pure spite.

No. Not at all.

This essay, "The Easiest Way to Get Rid of Racism? Just Redefine It", explains the difference better than I can.

What I called "Secret Heart R-word-ism" is referenced above as "harbor hate in his heart". What I called "Institutional R-Word-ism" is referenced above as "systemic racism".

This essay goes on to explain how the US segregationists of the 1960s coined this newfangled "Secret Heart" definition...

What I called "Secret Heart R-word-ism", G.Wallace referenced as "despises someone because of his color". A policy of "separate social order" is an example of what I called "Institutional R-word-ism".

Is this distinction making any sense to you yet ??