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06-03-2016 , 06:50 AM
Both trollies jumping in and neither making any sense. Shamey, I don't know what to say, maybe go back and read a few pages to catch up. You're definitely not a friend of free speech.

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Originally Posted by Trolly McTrollson
Hey look, you've finally found a professor who actually lost her job.
Not sure what you mean either, but if you're looking for professors who've lost their jobs, you can check out the FIRE website.
https://www.thefire.org/


Here's a few:

bad language
https://www.thefire.org/cases/rowan-...ourse-content/


hate speech
https://www.thefire.org/cases/harvar...spaper-column/


criticizing sexual harassment policy
https://www.thefire.org/east-georgia...ment-policy-2/


teaching about prostitution
https://www.thefire.org/colorado-pro...-prostitution/


ummm, sexual harassment?
https://www.thefire.org/silenced-at-...essors-firing/


Some of these it's difficult to figure out if they're a result of the far left safe space contingent, or the far right bible thumping prudes... they're both so similarly and easily offended. Universities are wise to be quick on the draw.

There are also some pretty worrisome examples of professors pressured into resigning:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...old_email.html

http://reason.com/blog/2015/11/06/wa...o-fire-a-staff

put on leave:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...professor.html

and facing harassing title IX inquisitions:

http://reason.com/blog/2015/05/29/pr...ix-inquisition


These examples range from strange to scary, and whether you agree with the decisions or not, they trample on the idea of freedom of expression and open, critical thought within our higher-education system. It's really no wonder Obama has been focusing so much lately on the importance of dialogue and tolerance of opposing ideals. He and everyone else bringing these issues to light are doing good work. I just hope enough people have been listening.
06-03-2016 , 06:58 AM
I also just stumbled onto this, and it can't be great for the safe space movement.

http://claremontindependent.com/3473-2/
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Recently, the Independent obtained screenshots from the “5C Women of Color” Facebook group. According to its description, the group—accessible only to its 1,100 approved members—is “for 5C students and alumnae who identify as women of color to reach out and serve as resources/support for one another.” Many of the page’s most popular posts mock those who do not identify as women of color.
...

Another student responded by instructing Otterstrom to tell her father that “his pale ass is worthless and the sun doesn’t even like him. Talk about his receding hairline, the fact that he probably looks 20 years older than he actually is, and that he probably has a small penis.”
...

Catherine Chiang (SC ‘16)—who was elected by her peers to be the senior class speaker at Scripps College’s commencement ceremony this year and who is an acting intern at the Scripps Communities of Resources and Empowerment program—stated, “asian boys r a social issue,” to which other students responded “esp [especially] the nerdy ones who can just hide in their tech caves” and “they get all angry when it comes to how Asian men are asexualized/emasculated.” Kristine Lee (PO ‘17), a staff member of the Pomona College Asian American Resource Center who sits on the “Production” and “Mental Health” committees there added, “F*ck your masculinity whiny Asian cis bros this is why I only hang out with femmes.”
Not that it should be too surprising. I mean, news flash, people talk smack about each other, are hateful and they stereotype. That's all perfectly normal and protected speech. But it doesn't look good if this is anything like what they're demanding universities provide them a safe space for.

Last edited by FoldnDark; 06-03-2016 at 07:03 AM.
06-03-2016 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
lol, you think "1st Amendment" means you can't get fired for using unprofessional language and course content? Got news, bruv, I'd get fired if I dropped f-bombs at meetings where I work.

This is your #1 example of the hazards of "safe spaces?" I'm not going to bother reading the other 70,000 links you're spamming the thread with bc it's clear you don't bother to read them yourself.
06-03-2016 , 09:23 AM
So the one example FoldN has posted of a free speech violation resulted in the professor being fired. Man it seems like we have a real problem here!

Lol at those fire examples. Let me go call my boss an ******* and see how it goes. If I'm fired its a first amendment violation!

Lol FoldN, lol SMP non-thinking droolers.
06-03-2016 , 02:02 PM
Uh, it's college not kindergarten. I'm very sorry for anyone who would get fired for cursing at work. I've never had to worry about that.

And there are countless more examples of unwarrented free speech restrictions listed, both public and private. Big LOL at people who keep getting the First Amendment mixed up with free speech. Sure, there is no protection at a private university, for example. That doesn't automatically make it a good thing for them to censor. If you think so, I'm sure Xi Jinping is glad for your support.
06-03-2016 , 02:08 PM
When you sign a contract with companies you usually aren't entitled to 100% free speech. People get fired from all sorts of businesses besides being a professor. Why aren't you railing against them?
06-03-2016 , 02:10 PM
Everyone should just read up. FIRE isn't fighting for people who cursed out their bosses.
06-03-2016 , 02:16 PM
I was brought to my attention these two links were broken in my previous post:

criticizing sexual harassment policy
https://www.thefire.org/east-georgia...ment-policy-2/


teaching about prostitution
https://www.thefire.org/colorado-pro...-prostitution/
06-03-2016 , 02:16 PM
You should make a coherent argument besides "I have the feels for racists and other ****heads being stifled by the big mean colleges and their dastardly safe spaces."

Because universities aren't operating entirely differently from regular companies in some of their policies. Yet you don't seem to be linking to companies like ESPN giving guys like Schilling the boot and crying about that.
06-03-2016 , 02:21 PM
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh you are one to criticize making conherent arguments. Like a few others, you read a post or two, drop in and spread your hate. There, I was responding to Trolly's request. Which was, as usual, very unwise.

I also think it's pretty silly Schilling got fired, but he's not supposed to be teaching our students critical thinking skills, challenging their ideals and sharpening their wits. It's a bit more worrisome when college professors and students in what should be a marketplace of ideas are being so easily censored.
06-03-2016 , 02:37 PM
You don't put any critical thought into your posts. You just whine about censorship and cherry pick articles.

Like, FoldN, you think classrooms don't have any purpose other than letting kids rant when you whine about that one professor. In your world **** wouldn't be taught because kids would run the classrooms and not professors. Professors have every right to shut down discussion when it is off topic. Going to college isn't just about Freedumb of Speech like you think. It's also knowing the time and place for discussions. You know, becoming Professional. There are classes that cater to topics and some that don't. Deal with it.
06-03-2016 , 02:38 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FoldnDark
I was brought to my attention these two links were broken in my previous post:

criticizing sexual harassment policy
https://www.thefire.org/east-georgia...ment-policy-2/


teaching about prostitution
https://www.thefire.org/colorado-pro...-prostitution/
It's an epidemic!

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December 2013, Adler told students she would be leaving her “Deviance in U.S. Society” course, although the school had not given her the option of retirement, but had instead offered a two-year buyout.

Despite reports that she was being “forced out” for the controversial skit, the school issued a statement in December to students and faculty saying Professor Patricia Adler “has not been dismissed,” and that the school is reviewing the possibility of sexual harassment policy infringements.

Adler said CU tried to force her out but reconsidered after pressure from students and the ACLU proved to be too much.

“They got so caught by the academic freedom issue that they had to back down and to save face they said, ‘Well, a committee in the sociology department has to review it,'” said Adler.

“She was never fired or any kind of probation. We fully expected her to come back and teach class,” said CU spokesman Bronson Hillard.
http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/01/0...urns-to-class/
06-03-2016 , 02:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Everyone should just read up. FIRE isn't fighting for people who cursed out their bosses.
The prof who got fired for Medea wasn't fired because of a left wing need for a safe space.
06-03-2016 , 02:44 PM
That's a big LOL M2B, of course the school is going to have their side of the story. And nobody should automatically take either side at face value.
06-03-2016 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
The prof who got fired for Medea wasn't fired because of a left wing need for a safe space.
Again, it's so hard to tell these days. Schools are being pressured from both ends of the spectrum, and they must be very careful not to offend!

Several of those examples are questionable, many of them are clearly the safe space crowd.
06-03-2016 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
That's a big LOL M2B, of course the school is going to have their side of the story. And nobody should automatically take either side at face value.
Lol, hypocrite. The exact reason you posted the link is for people to take your side.
06-03-2016 , 03:06 PM
Disclaimer: I do not personally know, and am in no way related to any of the authors, students, professors, or administration involved in posted incidents. I in no way profit from or endorse said universities, student groups, magazines, websites, and persons therein. All reading material posted should be used solely for informational purposes.
06-03-2016 , 03:08 PM
That doesn't help when you throw a temper tantrum and insult people who don't agree with you.
06-03-2016 , 03:11 PM
Ahhhhahahahaironylololol. Well, nows the time where I need to be very careful not to troll like 1/10th of the amount I get trolled or risk getting another two day vacation. Good day kind sir.
06-03-2016 , 03:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FoldnDark
I also just stumbled onto this, and it can't be great for the safe space movement.

http://claremontindependent.com/3473-2/


Not that it should be too surprising. I mean, news flash, people talk smack about each other, are hateful and they stereotype. That's all perfectly normal and protected speech. But it doesn't look good if this is anything like what they're demanding universities provide them a safe space for.
Just wanted to make sure this doesn't get lost in the shuffle. I post so much good content that nobody responds to, so I'm afraid it may be getting overlooked!
06-03-2016 , 03:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Ahhhhahahahaironylololol. Well, nows the time where I need to be very careful not to troll like 1/10th of the amount I get trolled or risk getting another two day vacation. Good day kind sir.
Laughing at you isn't trolling you.

Hope this helps!
06-03-2016 , 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FoldnDark
That's a big LOL M2B, of course the school is going to have their side of the story. And nobody should automatically take either side at face value.
Why didn't you post an article about the other side of the story then?
06-03-2016 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Just wanted to make sure this doesn't get lost in the shuffle. I post so much good content that nobody responds to, so I'm afraid it may be getting overlooked!
Let's get this straight. You are not only posting, but repeating and calling it "good content".....that....uh....someone somewhere said something stupid on Facebook and then the page was shut down after? Seriously?

Like why is this in any way an interesting story? Why did you feel compelled to repost it a second time
06-03-2016 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by uke_master
Let's get this straight. You are not only posting, but repeating and calling it "good content".....that....uh....someone somewhere said something stupid on Facebook and then the page was shut down after? Seriously?

Like why is this in any way an interesting story? Why did you feel compelled to repost it a second time
I seriously wonder about so many of you. There are tons of examples of students demanding schools provide them with safe spaces where only students of color are allowed in, much like that website.
06-03-2016 , 04:11 PM
Looks like foldN got into the good stuff again. How are your teeth holding up?

      
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