I believe that religion is done playing a part in human evolution, we should know better now than to believe and form our lives based on fairytales. And we would know better if we stopped giving religions carte blanche to brainwash children.

Start by adding to the UNICEF child convention that it is to be forbidden to teach religion to children. And that noone under the age of 18 is to be allowed to be a member or partake in religious rites or activities.

We obv shouldnt stop telling people that do wrong just that but all to often nowadays thats all we look for and then we are surprised(or happy?) that it keeps happening.

Lol

Do you think there might be a better way to do this, maybe ease into it in a way that wont lead to unending war?

The west is already becoming more and more secular where religion plays a smaller part and just as many other movements that where highly contested like womens rights and gay rights it has to start there by highlighting the issue of brainwashing and abusing children in the name of religion.

The best way is to actually speak out and identify it as a problem and thereafter as i said include it in the child convention. Im not talking about banning religion even though i believe that ultimately it will shrink drastically if we only allow adults to make the choice if they want to believe in fairytales or not.

I've got DMW >sputnik

Exactly how many times and ways do you want him to tell you what he thinks?

Once will do it. May take a few posts for it be specific and clear - hope that's ok with you.

He doesn't want the gays to have the same rights as the straights, this of course puts him in Chez's favorite group of people: Those who hold awful views. Chez is just trying to figure out if DMW gets VIP level Chez support or just regular level by trying to pinpoint just how awful his views are.

Migh be time for an ESL class Chex

It migh not.

Everyone else understand DSW and he mocked you for not understanding what no means.

Why do you think you are the only one that can't understand his views?

I don't think that.

Now was there anything about safe spaces or related substance you wished to discuss? Maybe something you think we disagree on?

I would argue Sputnik is advocating a secularist cult, complete with a ban on heresy.

Okay if you can put yourself in my and others' heads who think Okay that is not a 'marriage' You then can proceed to the next question Should the government get into the business of regulating homosexual relationships?

Why wouldn't they? They regulate heterosexual relationships. So you are again not providing equal protection based simply on a sexual lifestyle. Is that just?

Quite the opposite actually. Im advocating free choice and the protection of children that cant make that choice.

A point I think others are making as well is that while I can understand the determination of people who believe same sex couples are equal to push for non-discriminatory laws, it's hard to see why those who disagree are so bothered.

Maybe you're not that bothered but if you are can you help me get inside your head on that.

Think carefully DMW, if you answer wrong Chez will just back your homophobia like we was defending himself. Answer right and Chez will defend you for years, even if you get banned.

So you understand his views and are just spamming the thread? Or you are too dumb to understand his views? Which is it? Because he's been explaining his views for a page and the literate folk understand him fine.

Neither.

Now do you want to talk about anything of substance LG or is just complaining?

"Anything else? Anything else to add?" Jesus chez, why don't you put forward a thought or an argument instead of always dismissively asking people if they have anything else to add.

I have. LG doesn't want to talk about any of them. Do you?

I'm not the one asking people if they have anything else to add as if I've been dropping knowledge like Socrates.

Do I? Well if you say something, I'll try to respond. Scout's honour.

You were joining a complaint about the discussion while offering none. It's been a pattern but if you want to break it. Let's give it a go on the latest subject - just a starter:

Same sex marriage like all LGBT rights are easily important enough issues to support the government/law getting involved in to prevent discrimination either in action or in the official use of key words like marriage. Those who don't like it will just have to lump it.

Although I would rather not impose my view on others, that's as nothing compared to allowing them to continue the discrimination which causes so much harm.

edit: and I very much hope the 'dropping knowledge like Socrates' was ironic.

I do too but I want to wait for everyone to get a chance to respond, and in the mean time am enjoying the discussion about how to have a discussion.

I agree. Gays and straights should have official equality. Unofficially, bigoted people will be displeased, but over time anti-gay sentiment should decrease. There is no fair argument to give one person more rights than another. Bigots will bigot, but the letter of the law should expressly back everyone equally....Ldo.