Ron Paul 2012 Containment Thread - Page 838 - Politics and Economics

I love how you link the video, AND THEN STILL LIE ABOUT WHAT IT SAYS.

Slowly I continue to slide away from the idea that the left is much better than the right.

I summed up accurately what he said. People who dont have rich friends or cant find charities to cover their healthcare costs should die in the street.

I mean back when this happened RP fans werent saying he didnt say that, their defence was that he is right to say that because personal responsibility etc.

09-05-2012 , 08:37 PM

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should lol

09-05-2012 , 10:02 PM

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Probably they said he didn't say that, because he didn't say that. You should have an under-title that says "Not intended to be a factual statement"

09-06-2012 , 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by [Phill]

It wasnt close to "borderline criminal" if you are using that term literally.

Also of course they wouldnt let him within a mile of the nomination. He couldnt win a state that mattered. He got a fair shake of the stick but he couldnt win over the primary electorate, outside of rare glimses like when he said people without healthcare should be left to die in the street which got some applause in a debate.

jfc Phill be more dishonest why don't you?

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09-06-2012 , 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sangaman

If you don't live in one of the 10 or 15 most competitive states, you have a better chance of being the vote that gives GJ 5% than the vote that swings the election.

But I disagree that there's no difference even if it's not the vote that makes it 5%. I think that the more votes GJ gets, the more media attentions he and the things he stands for will get, AND the more viable they'll appear to future potential voters or donors.

Well, mathematically, yes, but in reality, it's a billion billion billion chance vs. a billion billion billion billion chance. So it's more likely, but really, I have just as much chance of influencing the future by taking his name, writing it on paper, and putting it down my toilet, and maybe it will clog up the pipes in the city water system and cancel the election in some areas.

09-06-2012 , 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TomCollins

So it's more likely, but really, I have just as much chance of influencing the future by taking his name, writing it on paper, and putting it down my toilet, and maybe it will clog up the pipes in the city water system and cancel the election in some areas.

09-06-2012 , 11:27 AM

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TomCollins showing us why Ron Paul failed.

09-06-2012 , 11:53 AM

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At least he has a good comedic sense going for him.

09-07-2012 , 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by [Phill]

If you wanna be technical, sure, he hopes charities wont let someone die in the street but if that charity doesnt exist or cant meet the needs of everyone then people dying in the street is fine by him.

You're usually spot on about a lot of things, but man you really missed it on this one.

09-07-2012 , 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TomCollins

I haven't heard any educated guesses for how many votes GJ will get, but even if he is expected to get roughly 5% (I'd be surprised of that's the case) the chances of one vote deciding it is roughly a million to one (relatively speaking that's pretty good, and it applies to voters in all states). If come election day he's expected to get significantly more or less than 5% of the vote, then the chances of one vote deciding are gajillions to one.

But as we both acknowledged, in most states the chances of a vote for Obama/Romney making a differences are gajillions (zillions if you live in somewhere like utah or DC) to one anyway. Unless you have a vested interest in which of the two major candidates wins, and you live in one of the ~5 most contested states, and the race is a toss-up come election day... You could argue you'd be better off flushing your vote down the toilet regardless of which candidate you support.

I think it's more significant, as I said, that every vote for GJ is a tiny step towards bringing attention and legitimacy to him and his ideas. I also personally think there is a certain degree of satisfaction to be had in supporting and voting for the candidate that you truly believe is most deserving and best for yourself, your country, and the world (at least out of the people actively running for office).

09-07-2012 , 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sangaman

You are probably better off spending the time it takes to vote for him talking to as many people as you can.

09-07-2012 , 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Omar Comin

TomCollins showing us why Ron Paul failed.

Far from it. Every Ron Paul supported could have voted 3 times, and he would not be in the picture.

09-07-2012 , 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TomCollins

You are probably better off spending the time it takes to vote for him talking to as many people as you can.

True, and I do try to talk to others. It's a bit tough though because I and most of the people I know are registered to vote in VA which is one of those few states that actually could swing the election, so the argument that a vote for Obama/Romney is even more wasted than a vote for GJ isn't as effective.

I'm still going to vote tho. It's not any worse a use of my time than a lot of other things I do, posting on politics in 2p2 for one :P.

09-07-2012 , 02:12 PM

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I've probably made a bigger difference in posting in 2p2 (almost nothing) than voting in the past (definitely nothing), although I enjoy posting more than voting too.

Romney/Obama vote will be more likely to make a difference in almost every case, if you actually value the difference between the two by much. I don't.

09-07-2012 , 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TomCollins

Touché re: your first paragraph. Surely tho, playing angry birds or something is a worse use of my time and I still happily do that.

I definitely don't think an Obama/Romney vote makes more of a difference in most states tho. In swing states I think its debatable.

09-07-2012 , 02:51 PM

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Is it a worse use? You enjoy it.

I'm talking about if I was the swing vote for the entire election. I don't think I'd care much over Romney vs. Obama. I have a very slight lean Obama due to Republicans controlling congress and having a unified government scares me more than any individual president.

09-07-2012 , 04:42 PM

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Yeah I enjoy it but it does nothing to improve or change my situation or the world's situation. Voting almost never does either, but as I said I'd get some satisfaction voting for GJ and very little voting for Obama (my choice if I had to vote from major parties and who I voted for in 08).

09-11-2012 , 04:22 AM

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Is Ron Paul the nominee yet?

09-17-2012 , 07:29 PM

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Ron Paul Stands up for Free Speech in 410 to 3 Vote as Cowardly House Passes Stolen Valor Act

When it comes to war and veterans, politicians can't seem to get enough of either. In the United States, there is a long, rich tradition of going to war in instances where national security is not at risk. Of course, this hardly prevents our leaders from portraying the fate of Vietnam or Iraq as vital to the national security of the U.S. to a fearful public. Then after they've successfully hoodwinked Americans into believing in the necessity and righteousness of marching off to war once again, they constantly remind us how we all owe our soldiers a debt of gratitude. And pity the poor citizen who dares to question the legitimacy or worthiness of the cause, lest he be accused of not supporting the troops, even though were it up to him, the troops would be far from harm's way.

Ron Paul will no doubt receive criticism for his vote Thursday against the Stolen Valor Act, which makes it a federal crime to lie about having served in the U.S. military in order to "obtain something of value." A previous version enacted into law was struck down by the Supreme Court in June, after justices deemed the law too vague and all-encompassing. So in response, Congress has recalibrated the legislation to address the court's concerns, and the new Stolen Valor Act passed the House of Representatives by a vote of 410 to 3. Voting with Paul against the bill were Democrat George Miller of California and Republican Justin Amash of Michigan.
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http://www.policymic.com/articles/14...olen-valor-act

09-17-2012 , 10:49 PM

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another small blow against free speech.

09-17-2012 , 10:57 PM

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Gonna get a lot of panhandlers arrested.

09-18-2012 , 11:13 AM

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yeah but the parties are so different i dont understand how this got bipartisan support

11-16-2012 , 03:37 PM

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Pretty good messages in Paul's last speech on the floor of the house. If only more Americans and politicians were asking (and answering) these questions. Read below for cliffs.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/...stions/265263/