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12-23-2011 , 01:02 PM

#9626

whickerda

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LirvA

I don't think I'm gonna be able to contribute to the ad. Who wants to take charge of this? I got the info from Bobo but can't post it publicly.

Do you know if there's an out-of-the box ad that can be thrown up once we raise the money or does it have to be designed and created and such? I would think this is the kind of thing ppl at the campaign could provide and we just pass it on to 2p2 but idk.

Sorry if that's already been covered. I missed the discussion about the ad.

12-23-2011 , 01:12 PM

#9627

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gankstar

We all know that the newsletter has been debunked. This is the difference between "negative" ads and truthful ads that make people look bad...any newsletter ads would be "negative" and sensationalism, and any ads Ron ran against Obama (like how he expanded armed conflicts to more countries without Delcarations of War, how he continues torture, secret prisons, the PATRIOT Act, extroidinary rendition, okays indefinite detainment of U.S. citizens without trial rights, etc.,etc.,etc.) will be true and make Obama look as bad as he really is.

Is that really what you think will beat Paul vs Obama? Sensationalism versus substance? Kerry didn't just lose because of those ads...he lost because of a variety of issues, like rigged votes, his policies, his personality, his lack of serious contrast to Bush (like Obama!), etc. To blame it all on the ads is revisionist history at best...and I won't say what at worst.

I seem to remember a music video by Rage Against the Machine for the song "Testify" that pointed out how little of a difference there was between Gore and Bush, let alone Kerry and Bush.

If all you have is some debunked newsletter (an issue that won't last two weeks in general election with all the minority support Ron Paul is getting and will get) from 20 years ago that were rebuked thoroughly (even to the Left's satisfaction) in 2008, and you can't attack his actual record, his philosophy, et cetera, effectively, then you have already lost. All we have to do is look at Obama's actual record...it's enough canon fodder for an entire election cycle.

I mean you do realize that Paul has a NAACP President in Texas willing to go to bat for him, who did in 2008 as well, to say he's known him for decades and that he is neither racist nor did he have anything to do with those newsletters, right?

http://www.examiner.com/ron-paul-in-...xcerpts-emerge

You underestimate the intelligence of the American people (who I admit aren't geniuses), and therefore will insult their intelligence.

The problem you have is Ron Paul has no real "dirty laundry"...you have to make it up.

Edit: I know I shouldn't feed the trolls, but sometimes I can't help it.

lol, we have well over a thousand posts in the newsletter thread. They have been anything but "debunked," unless you think that one is not culpable for stoking white fears with writings of gangs of black girls running around poking people with HIV-infected needles if one didn't actually write those words, even though one still profited from their publication and continued to knowingly associate, both personally and professionally, with the person or people who did, instead of, say, suing those people for defaming one's good, non-racist name.

12-23-2011 , 01:35 PM

#9628

Fermion5

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time for a ron paul themed sheep, wookie.

12-23-2011 , 01:38 PM

#9629

suzzer99

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OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGMG DO WANT

12-23-2011 , 01:47 PM

#9630

orestto

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I will support the ad if someone takes the lead on it.

12-23-2011 , 01:57 PM

#9631

MrWookie

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fermion5

time for a ron paul themed sheep, wookie.

Yeah, I've been thinking about this. I guess I'd have to get it up today in order for it to be relevant, but I probably won't be able to do the reveal until after the new year.

12-23-2011 , 02:01 PM

#9632

suzzer99

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#wookietease

12-23-2011 , 02:07 PM

#9633

kowboys4

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http://blogs.wsj.com/totalreturn/201...aul-portfolio/

How Ron Paul invests.

12-23-2011 , 02:15 PM

#9634

Mayo

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Can it be called "Black Sheep"?

12-23-2011 , 02:31 PM

#9635

The 13th 4postle

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There was a chart floating around twitter showing Ron Paul's portfolio. Don't remember where though.

Also Ron Paul just polled at 13% in Gallup's national day tracker. A new high IIRC.

12-23-2011 , 02:51 PM

#9636

Scary_Tiger

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The 13th 4postle

There was a chart floating around twitter showing Ron Paul's portfolio. Don't remember where though.

Also Ron Paul just polled at 13% in Gallup's national day tracker. A new high IIRC.

Paul is up 5%, Romney is up 0%, and Gingrich is down 11% since it started.

12-23-2011 , 02:54 PM

#9637

Fermion5

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ARG Iowa poll
Paul 21%
Romney 20%
Gingrich 19%

12-23-2011 , 02:58 PM

#9638

The 13th 4postle

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This is anecdotal but a couple weeks ago, I talked with a friend about Ron Paul and he was like "oh that dudes crazy, he wants to legalize drugs."

I talk to him yesterday and he tells me, literally everyone he has asked said they were voting Ron Paul! He was amazed.

Don't let the racist newsletter story demoralize you. Keep up the good work guys. We CAN win this.

12-23-2011 , 03:03 PM

#9639

joeyDizzle

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http://reason.com/blog/2011/12/22/ro...going-away-but

"I'm sure that the vast majority of libertarians - and conservatives, Republicans, liberals, Democrats, etc. - who end up pulling a lever for Ron Paul are not ignoring the policies and legislation he has either authored or worked to enact. It is precisely in his concrete attempts to roll back the state - whether through pushing for an end to massive, endless, and uncritical increases in military spending and operations or by co-authoring (with Barney Frank) of the first attempt to end federal marijuana prohibition - that Paul captures the libertarian vote. His philosophical rhetoric and ideological consistency may be appealing to some, but it's really what he plans to deliver on that is motivating people to listen long and hard and show up at rallies."

12-23-2011 , 03:43 PM

#9640

m_reed05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kowboys4

http://blogs.wsj.com/totalreturn/201...aul-portfolio/

How Ron Paul invests.

There was a similar article a few months ago with a similar tone. They both fail to explain that Paul has had a similar portfolio for a decade+ and has made a ridiculous return over that time, while the general market has gone sideways. Iirc, schiff did a YouTube video response to the older article. They laugh at him and call him crazy for not falling in line with the masses earning nothing in the stock market, meanwhile he was off making a killing betting on the devaluation of the dollar.

I'm on terrible Internet atm so can't look up the article or video.

12-23-2011 , 03:47 PM

#9641

ddubois

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A Schiff blog post few months back convinced to stick like 15% of my net worth into GDX at 62.

12-23-2011 , 03:52 PM

#9642

The 13th 4postle

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Stop taking financial advice from Peter Schiff for Christ's sake. He couldn't even make money off the subprime crisis and he knew it would happen.

Good Austrian economist, poor financial investor.

12-23-2011 , 03:56 PM

#9643

suzzer99

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I've lost a crapton of market getting spooked by my Schiff-head friend and betting against the market.

12-23-2011 , 05:51 PM

#9644

Alex Wice

aka Double Ice

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,952

The key with Ron Paul is that he cant be bought or threatened. Elites will have to kill him to keep the status quo.

Last edited by Alex Wice; 12-23-2011 at 05:52 PM. Reason: inb4 lol conspiritard

12-23-2011 , 06:00 PM

#9645

seattlelou

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^Seems like he is sold his integrity for $99 (unless you got the 1/2 off deal)

12-23-2011 , 06:32 PM

#9646

General Tsao

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from that article on RP's investing:

Quote:

Mr. Bernstein says he has never seen such an extreme bet on economic catastrophe. ”This portfolio is a half-step away from a cellar-full of canned goods and nine-millimeter rounds,” he says.

lol'd

12-23-2011 , 06:36 PM

#9647

zan nen

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Quote:

Originally Posted by seattlelou

^Seems like he is sold his integrity for $99 (unless you got the 1/2 off deal)

what

are

you

talking

about

Spoiler:

Also, yeah what a crazy portfolio for RP.

12-23-2011 , 06:39 PM

#9648

General Tsao

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what's funny is that unlike what you'd expect from the other politicians, he always casts votes against policies which would cost money, lead to more dollars being created, and more inflation, and make him super super rich(er).